Short Warning: Vigilant Citizen is a Illuminati Disinfo Agent!

For those of you that are in the conspiracy movement longer than I am – sorry, probably nothing new for you (perhaps you like then my article about Sitchin? ;-) ). For the rest that wants to get informed about the dark networks that are running this world and check blogs like the one of Vigilant Citizen: Beware! This guy is 100% a disinfo agent.

Is Chaukeedaar getting paranoid?

Ok, here is the story. I only occasionally run across the blog articles of VC the last couple of months and I’m only registered to new articles for some weeks now. I found them always interesting, somewhat very founded information there, just remember the famous article Sinister Sites – Astana, Khazakhstan for example. Thought he was just someone who worked in the Illuminati industry for some time and then decided to uncover the cabal. You probably thought about the same, right?

What I found strange was that logo for “The Global Information Network” on his site. It looked to me like one of these US-three-letter logos of these private cabal armies CIA, NSA, DHS, you name it. When today I saw that VC charges 10$ for his new e-book, I got suspicious (sorry, that’s just me) and decided to follow that GIN-add:

What I found was quite shocking to me: GIN tries to attract people who are interested in the Illuminati more of a subconscious feeling that they would like to be IN themselves, to feel that power to be special and inside a secret society:

One thing I will say though, is that Global Information Network markets on playing with people’s desires to feel “Special” and be included in some sort of ‘Secret Society’. Now, why people buy into stuff like that I don’t know, and how ‘Special’ is a secret society that makes you pay $150 a month and $1000 to join… well, I’ll leave that for you to decide.
Omar Briones [Source]

GIN tries to create an atmosphere of human equality and fair information participation:

There is a New World Order forming that is designed to increase the gap between the wealthy and the average working man. GIN does not agree with this movement of total control over individuals. GIN believes that EVERY person has the right to know the secrets of creating the life they want and enjoying freedom, pursuing happiness, and achieving all their dreams and desires.

But on the same page

Not all applications will be accepted and not everyone qualifies.

Kevin Trudeau, again…

I did not have to read a lot on that site to be remembered of Kevin Trudeau (I already reported about that Illuminati shill before) and right, GIN is actually another marketing and money machine of the master of cheating.

[Source]

Back to topic: So there we have Vigilant Citizen advertising for GIN. Before, people have seen ads for a book about Aleister Crowley, the infamous Satanist and top freemason, on VC’s site. You also find dozens of people who report that VC has censored their comments when they were obviously not 100% in line with VCs opinion, or should I say, agenda.

So WHY does he play that game?

they are linking people to proven disinformation agents AND trying to make money off of their readers for referring them to the disinfo material…sorry, but real truthers and fighters of the new world order would not do this. It is a deceptive marketing technique by the agents. I will admit the website is loaded with lots of truths and good info….BUT – THAT is exactly how disinformation, or counter intelligence agents work. Trust me, they are not genuine. 90% of truth movement and illuminati exposing websites are in fact setup by agents – it was all manufactured because they knew people were starting to wake up. this has actually been an ongoing battle for many years now online. but i am sure you are at least somewhat aware of this by now.
UsualSuspekt [Source]

I guess VC is there to make us believe that the Illuminati are all-powerful and everywhere and program us to think we are already lost. Plus: To make some bucks from it, occult people love money and power foremost…

You know, I get so TIRED of my good faith getting abused regularly by these Illuminati manipulators! I would already be happy if my article only prevents ONE other person to feel that same frustration…

PS: I do not censor any comments. VC, if you are out there, you are free to respond. Or one of the team behind the name!

PS 2: For the case you ask yourself why chaukeedaar is on the web on october 28th, when the resistance is supposed to stop the system for one day: I crawl out of the globalist system step by step in my own pace. I don’t need a specific date for that, and I don’t want ALL the system to be stopped as I cannot take the responsibility of all the dead and suffering people from such an event… I want the top and globalist part of the system to end, not everything, as I’m not a communist nor an utopist.

Update 12/20/2011

As of today, this short article of mine got 699 comments in about two months. My post about VC’s sinister connection to the Illuminati scam site “GIN” has kicked off a discussion that uncovered other unethical/totalitarian habits of the VC crew (especially in regards of censoring posts that contained unwanted questions towards VC and banning a load of members without warning and reason). We had a full spectrum of COINTELPRO techniques spreading out on my blog, many weird imaginary “people” have come over from the VC forums and tried to hijack the discussion first towards religion, then to fake impersonation games, and also to pornography. But also many honest, bright thinking people stepped in, you may want to search for the comments of “femalopharo”, “Not Your Ordinary Citizen”, “Pluto”, “truthseer” and “io”. It really was a shitstorm, but it was worth it if I read comments like that one from femalepharo:

From the occult perspective, it has been said that Masonic images and other things appear purposely because through giving us these secrets they stick to their own codes and basically initiate us without our knowledge. If you are a read person of revelations, as I do not claim to be, one of the questions was “if you know the mark of the beast why would you receive it”? Obviously, it is through trickery and only the wise will refuse it.

THE SITE IS AN INITIATION! Remember the question of: “are we just seeing this more because we realize it, or are they doing it more now for publicity” .
HA! It is both! And the publicity is getting us accustomed to their rank and file in the order.

Namaste, Chaukee

2,647 thoughts on “Short Warning: Vigilant Citizen is a Illuminati Disinfo Agent!

  1. These guys own and operate the vigilantcitizen.com

    http://www.twistimage.com/en/who-we-are/our-leadership/mickael-kanfi

    Mickael Kanfi

    and

    http://www.twistimage.com/en/who-we-are/our-leadership/mitch-joel

    Mitch Joel

    They also are responsible for this site, another recruitment site for the GIN.

    http://elirook.com/ and

    http://jointhenewworldorder.com/index2.php

    http://www.youtube.com/elirook

    Eli Rook can be found on facebook with thousands of followers too. He used to have a website that had a variety of youtube short vids on it that painted a picture, while selling a $47.00 Ebook which basically explained that the Illuminati/Elite are good people and had to keep things secret because the general populace wasn’t ready for them. Following along in the game, it was a big setup to get recruits for the GIN scam.

    Incidentally GIN is a pyramid scam, and the only way you can actively recruit or have an affiliate number is to BE A MEMBER. VC is definitely a member. It’s a $1000.00 a month scam, and part of externalizing the hierarchy of the elite as well.

    Joel is an online marketing genius who also owns Distort Entertainment and “produces” music for “underground” or “urban” band in Montreal and Toronto. Mickael lives in Laval where VigilantCitizen runs his operation out of. Henrik Ryosa of illomennation.com is also one of their accomplices who also knows a lot of digitial media and was once working with Joel on Distort Entertainment until realizing separate ideas would pull them in separate directions. Henrik now lives in Sweden and runs a production/media company of his own, but helps to steer people in certain directions with online contributions mainly to VC’s forum.

    The two of Joel and Kanfi have enough insider information to concoct the stories on VC, and knowledge between them to get thousands of viewers a day, upwards to 40k. Look at the google ads on that site and realize they’re making major BANK. Enough to justify launching two more copy cat sites

    http://knowledgefiles.com/

    and

    http://secretarcana.com

    • Hello, up until recently I was very careful about this whole subject and I must say, I still am. First time I checked VC was last year when there was talk about Kanye and Jay Z being part of the Illuminati and I wanted to know more. However, that stuff was messing with my head too much and I decided to stay away. Just recently I got in contact with it again because I simply want to know more and if you start connecting the dots you realize it cant all be a coincidence. I am a very strong-minded individual and I like to ‘think for myself’. I dont take everything for face value and like to make my own conclusions.

      I had been wondering about all the ads, it was weird. However, I found the articles to be informative and so I didnt make much of it. Dont really care if its fake, Im still gonna continue to read and make my own conclusions. However, what would interest me is your opinion on some of the stuff written on there. Also, last year I sent him a long-ass email and he never replied and that struck me as strange, as well, same now. I asked him about the Eye of Horus and the different meanings for different people, still waiting on an answer. Now of course I know why I wont get one, lol.

      E.g. what do you think about his posts about The Wizard of Oz and the kind? Black Swan? Do you think those are made up or there is actually some truth about it.

      As far as the music industry goes, I think there is a lot of crap going on. However, I still believe that not everybody is part of the Illuminati and there are some artists who actually decide to stay away.

      So anyways, awaiting your reply.

      • I take it back that I dont care. I do care, I will continue to read the articles, however, the fact that they claim to be a black guy but in fact are probably some white dudes and a few other things about the site are very disturbing for me.

      • Yes i used to go to vigilant often and i dont know but something made me unsure about it all although i found the sinister sites articles very intresting and i do see all the symbolism in movies,music,tv and photo shoots yes well i also have sent vigilant emails and never any responses and ben from psuedo occult media always used to mssg me even since he stopped his blog posting he will mssg me if i contact him…well i saw vigilant accepts article submissions and i wrote a big article with lots of video links, photos to prove my points and i never heard a thing from vigilant about it, i also applied for a job as a forum mod when there was vacancies and still nothing and at that time i was well known an well respected as a commentor at vc and psuedo and on several fb pages…this was approx 1yr ago…i dont really go to vc now….im not sure how many times i need to see nikki garbage bag doing one eye shots in leopard print and read the same info about it all to no avail…

      • And I should know because I Logan Seibert polish his nards daily.

        I once created a lot of controversy on the VC website because he is obviously occult and created an uprising that led to a board reset while recruiting many members to another site. Later I discovered I had too much love for Vigilant so much so that I could not stand what I had done, so I helped bring people back on the promise that I could moderate the board and help convert the Heathen Paganists back to the true way.

    • JJ Virgil, where and how did you find this out? I do a radio show and I been exposing Kevin Trudeau and his GIN for the past week now. I am looking for solid evidence and/or proof that Vigilant IS indeed Mickael Kanfe. Do you have screenshots? I have been looking for proof and have not been able to find any to date. But, if this IS true, then this is BIG.

      Thank you. Interesting post

    • I’ve been reading VC since 2009 and until recently something didnt feel right, I have been looking for info about this and I’m glad I read your blog- at least I’m not alone. I can think for myself as well and I agree with Rick. If they were exposed this would be HUGE! thanx

      • Hey Desiree,
        cool, one more to confirm that we people CAN unmask the liers by ourselves!
        Thanks for stopping by, Chaukee

    • Interesting these Twist Image “marketing and graphic design” guys run VC and are based out of Canada. The director of the recently viral film “I, Pet Goat 2″ (if you haven’t seen it watch it…full of Occult illuminati symbolism) was created by a graphic design firm also out of Montreal called Heliofant. I was emailing with the director, so they were responsive to inquiries about their creative process and meanings behind the film…which I did not expect them to be so open about assuming they were Illuminati agents.

      • Just want to add to this blog that i have been censored tons of times posting on VC comments after articles. He/they are obviously trying to draw ppl into the occult and obviously make the “illuminati/nwo” seem more powerful than it really is from the feel of the content and articles, if indeed it is even a real organization and not just a big lying psyop in itself, suggesting these two things is what got the comments censored. Still a lot of truth on the site, just dont swallow it all and think for yourself.

    • I was Conspiracy Fact on that site and got banned for talking exactly about what you are saying here. When he said he was a Mystic Christian was when I knew he was batting fro the wrong side, not only that he was interviewed by a Witches website. The true awakening is into the knowledeg of the salvation of the Lord Jesus Christ,

  2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Below

    Greg Belows is Mitch Joel’s partner at Distort Media. This is where Henrik Ryosa and the authors of the Vigilant Citizen became acquaintances. Henrik has a death metal band illomennation.com and a media production company scanime.com

    Take special note of the Lion which is an occult and arcanum symbol indicating elitist ideals and illuminism.

    Henrik Ryosa other animation company http://www.voxhouse.net/tag/henrik-ryosa

    He is one of the Vigilant Citizen insiders and was involved in phase one of acquiring the identities of all who might be able to expose their little scam. That was before the VC forum reset that erased all information that some of these posters were revealing about Vigilant Citizen. That’s right, it was shut down because some people were onto them.

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  4. Hey JJ Virgil and Just-in Time,
    Thank you guys so much for the detailed background information! What a wicked online cabal that is, I could throw up! I really can’t see the fun in cheating on and lying to people like these pseudo-insiders do. What’s the goal in researching our spiritual truth when the only thing they get out of it is more egoism, greed and elite thinking? If they knew how little they understand of Gods creation…
    Well, peace to you guys and keep on working for a better future in real freedom.
    Greetz, chaukee

    • Just out of curiosity: Why would you post two comments with two different names (“JJ Virgil” and “Just-in Time”), both with the same e-Mail address and IP address? I must admit that I don’t like such games!

      • Sorry Chaukeedaar,

        I’ll admit, I actually forgot which pseudoname I used the day before. I’m just trying to get this information out to as many blog sites on the Vigilant Citizen as I can because I don’t like the scam these individuals are perpetrating, playing games with people’s minds to bank 50-100k a month, yes A MONTH. They’re playing on people’s fears and paranoid conspiracy minds and making a lot of money for it, while hiding their own true identities. I wonder why? Could it be their professional image as producers and entertainment journalists would be at stake? I wonder when more people find out who is really behind the Vigilant Citizen, if they’ll appreciate it.

      • Hey Just-In-Time,
        ok, fair enough! Thanks for coming back and clearifing. You know, if you would have done it to fabricate more weight by creating fake user names (I guess one of the methods of disinfo agents) you surely would not have come back to clearify. They normally leave controversies they’ve created untouched ;-) Although I would have liked you stepping forward when I addressed your alter agos in my response above… Never mind.
        I don’t know if we can really change the course of things with our texts on the web, but at least I learned a lot about their deceiving methods with this VC shit.
        Peace, Chaukee

  5. It’s all true, but they are doing it because they make thousands daily from Google adsense and other advertisers on their website. He’s part of the Global Information Network pyramid scam which costs $1000.00 to belong to monthly/ but rakes in suckas who believe they can be made rich overnight. You can blatantly see the affiliate ads onVigilant Citizen;s other sister sites knowledgefiles.com and secretarcana.com. Kevin Trudeau started the GIN, and previously was imprisoned due to pyramid scams. It’s hard for a cheetah to change his spots!

    There were two other insiders involved in the collection of names that go by the names of Jones. Actually yhey were one person and used a hegelian dialectic to trick people. It was a big headache and they tried to silence all the Christians on the site by becoming their friends and then using a hegelian dialectic steering them away from the vigilant citizen. It resulted in a board reset like Just-In-Time said. Wut up Homie?

    Vigilant Citizen himself admits to being a Gnostic Christian. If you research gnosticism like I have you will figure out it’s Luciferian and Satanic to the core. I once brought all this information to light on the message board and vigilant citizen erased it all so I’m storing it on my own free blog that i’ve linked here. I debated a gnostic satanist in it and revealed this luciferian ideology once and for all.

    • Hey Daciple,

      Awesome and really well-grounded work you did on VCs forum. I’ve just read your first post and especially liked those statements:
      (http://daciple.myblogsite.com/entry1.html)

      “Its the different opinion of Jesus and the Future you predict that is IDENTICAL to the Gnostic Freemason Luciferian Satanic Elite which is why I state that you are professing disinfo New World Order Propaganda. You IMO arent exposing the Elite in anyway other than what they want. The Elite, who profess the same Spirituality as you do with the same “Idealic Vision of Future of Humanity” as you do, want to expose themselves as Evil to the World, to get people to want to Rebel to against the Establishment they have set up. In this they will live out the Symbol of the Phoenix which they love, tearing down the old to give Re Birth to a Better System for THEM.”

      “…as all Systems in IDEAL are awesome and ALL of them in Practice work to do the exact same thing, condense power to the Elite, the people who set up the System. Hence my position in Politics get the Hell out of the Dialectic, you instead are content to participate in the Dialectic just as the Elite desire and push for the plan and purpose of them who created the Dialectic.”

      “Theosophist rule the freaking World Artisan, they are the ones who Established the United Nations, and you are insane to think that the United Nations which is the First Major Step in the Unity of the World isnt influencing the New World Order.”

  6. Seems to me like there are far too many people out there worrying about the baddies – real or imagined. I challenge all of you to concentrate only on that which you want in your world. Start with this powerful creative principle and you will naturally stop feeding energy into things and people that we would all prefer didn’t exist. They thrive on it. Without being noticed they simply cease to exist, and they can have no power. The truly clever people are utilising this powerful manifestation ability to co-create a brand new world which is really pleasant. Now that’s what I call smart!

    • These are very wise words, the most positive advice I have seen since I started reading any of this debate.

    • You give good advice think I will take it mate and leave all this wicked nasty ego shit behind.

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  8. HAHA wow I was thinking the exact same thing about the logo on the right… but just thought that is was another advertisement so he can have the site… I just googled the book to see if I can get it for free (well his sites are free why should I pay for information that is opensource?) anyway THANK YOU, funny thing is that I usally look out very close to what I read and were it comes from… but after doing it sometime I didnt look so closely anymore ^^ thank you for reminding me that they are everywere (I kinda figured this, like dan brown, but I didnt excpect THAT site to be one) I really need to start to be more picky again ;)

    • Hey Ouendan,
      Thanks a lot and be assured that this finding also changed a lot on how I rate information sources in the alternative media… When I don’t know an author and I find suspicous stuff in it (like any traces of New Age and occult symbolism) I now start by researching on that author. Everybody who gets heard these days automatically also gets attacked with the DISINFO-AGENT label somewhere, for right or for wrong – in the end its still an individual process of weighting evidence. Quite delicate ;-)
      Greetings to you and good research!
      Chaukee

  9. Has anyone seen the e-book? If so, can you tell me if his chapter on the “Illuminati Pyramid of Blagnac” uses photographs? Thanks.

  10. I always walk away from sites, at the first sign of dis-info etc. I don’t care either way, if VC is what you say it is, I’m not willing to take the risk of being suckered in… The GIN thing is what made me run from VC, after 10 seconds of watching their promo “10 of the wealthiest blah blah blah” says a lot… thanks

  11. Like Quendan, I thought that advert was just so the site could keep going… there’s always adverts on VC for things that go against the grain of what VC is “preaching”… now I understand why

  12. the links to this blog have now vanished from VC… My farewell is still there, but doesn’t mean much without it being tagged onto the posts with the links.

    I am really kicking myself. I’ve been reflecting on my time at VC. I now remember being highly suspicious of VC at first, it took a while to warm to the site. AND, it was that advert / logo, that spiked my suspicions now I think of it. I didn’t post on there until recently, due to being wary. The reason for starting to post, was recently, I have been getting “feelings”. These feelings, compelled me to share my (albeit limited) knowledge and intuition, so as to help others in their understanding. I wanted to help people come to terms with the often scary concepts, and to help them to stay strong and positive… I feel a bit foolish now, for letting my guard down, and not sticking with my gut feeling about VC.

    • Hey “was suckered in!”,

      Looks like another VC-style censorship… ;-) I actually did not see your comment there, but it must have been sent by comment notifications to many registered users as I get hits on end from that “Tutankhamun” article…

      I’ve read some of these comments and part of the article – its so obviously luciferian, it stinks.

      If I can give you a small advice: Please don’t feel (a bit) foolish for trying to make people stronger and more positive in face of these desillusioning NWO propaganda. You could not have found a better place for doing that as MANY people still are searching for answers at VC’s site but don’t have enough developed spirituality to block the negativitiy of it. As long as you don’t get censored, that is…
      I’ve come to the conclusion that only God-consciousness (to the true one, the positive source of everything, not to the jealouse wanna-be one) will help us to go past these difficult times without damage and with the most positive experience/growth. The same goes for Christ-Consciousness. Everything else (new age and stuff) is illusionary, egocentric and a plain detour on our journey. Love for God, then for ourselves and for others, not this egoistic self-LOVE they are preaching.

      Let us be confident, in the name of the creator!

      Hare Krishna, Chaukee

      • “I’ve come to the conclusion that only God-consciousness (to the true one, the positive source of everything, not to the jealouse wanna-be one)”

        Um…isn’t that a Gnostic view point?

  13. Preach Brother! I’ve always suspected that site. Although, there is a lot of good information but some just doesn’t make sense. I believe that site was just set up for profits and not to awaken the masses

    • Hey J_Crow,

      You must be right about the profits argument, at least partly. No troll has been sent yet by VC to my article, so I suspect that he thinks in terms of marketing – Any News is Good News – and hope it will drag traffic to his site, even if it debunks VC.

      Having said that I would like to reinforce my thought about VC trying to make the Illuminati seem more powerful as they actually are – and even literally make them stronger. As you guys probably know, its part of their occult believe-system that reality can be formed by thoughts/wishes/visualization. Now if this was a true rule in spirituality, think of what would happen when thousands of VC readers concentrate their thoughts on that whole Illuminati symbol crap he puts in front of their eyes all the time. At one point we all start to realize that the symbols really ARE everwhere, everytime we feel a bit more lost or angry or what ever – at least we do not feel positive emotions in these moments. I suspect that is how they think the world can be manipulated, and to some extend it might have some truth in it.

      My best method against it: Regularly disconnect from any media and truly LIVE in the sense that life was originally designed for…

      Now enough of it, wish you all peaceful days!

  14. Truth to be told, I was once a big fan of VC too. Luckily, I found your blog. THANK GOD! And thank you…. :)

  15. @Nia: Thank you a lot for the support! But be assured, I’m just an ordinary guy with a little knowledge, a little intuition, but a strong sense for righteousness, thats all ;-)

    @yoy50: Welcome aboard, awesome blog you got here! Just signed up, that pedophile secret language information is top!

  16. Hi there chaukeedaar

    Awweee, thanks, man! Pedophiles are so creepy aren’t they?! It’s time to “shut em down”! ;)

  17. I am relatively new to the search for information on the topic of Illuminati or any “conspiracy theory” for that matter. I have commented on another post of yours about Sitchin. It wasn’t that long ago, but I spend a lot of free time researching. I learn something new everyday. My original intention of my research was to find evidence that we aren’t alone in the universe when it comes to other intelligent life forms. But lately I’m getting confused and turned around. All this information is just stacking on top of more information and mixed into all of it is opinion and perhaps corruption. When I read other blogs where the authors seem so knowledgeable and confident about certain things I have a hard time believing it. If something like the Illuminati is so powerful and so secret how could anyone know so much about it, without being apart of it? I am not saying you are, but I guess I am just stuck on where to find real information. I came across the VC website. I found it interesting and also had a suspicious feeling about it. I realize using my head is the best way to discredit someone such as noticing they are selling things or referring everyone to join this group to get all of the inside info. I guess i am asking you, where do you get your information from? And what makes your information the trump over anyone else’s? I am not trying to attack you or say anything you say is false. It’s just I keep finding myself coming to your blog and usually your blog is saying that all the information I just read, is false or misleading…

    • Hey dear Blake,

      Your question is fair enough, my next post will be on my information sources. But please give me a couple of days as I’m very busy at work these days.

  18. Whoever wrote this blog is a very misguided holier-than-thou. I believe in critical thinking and this certainly reminds me why.

    • Right. VC articles are well written and full of observable truths. It is ALWAYS the readers job to examine, analyze and draw their own conclusions. Always find alternative sources and think for yourself. If VC were a disnfo agent, would it make Rhianna’s Umbrella video any less sinister? No, it wouldn’t. The info is not disinfo at all. It is observable, verifiable evidence of the dark side of the industry and of society in general. Same thing with Alex Jones. People say he’s an agent, or whatever. Even if it were true, he still woke me up and inspired me to do more research for myself, which led me to becoming even more aware. Stop taking peoples’ word and find out for yourself! The articles themselves contain plenty of information and are free. I’ve never sent a penny to VC, and there is plenty of dissenters in the forums. You don’t have to buy any ebooks if you don’t want to, smh.

  19. @Rightjam: Thanks alot!

    @Jortsa Kerppu: And the award for the least-founded comment goes to… Please proof your critical thinking beyond a hit-and-run judgment and show where I’m wrong.

    In my understanding, fighting Illuminati deceivers is not about being holy, but a necessity for ethical people with some responsibility and love for the creation and its inhabitants.

  20. Yeah he removed my comments many times…I no longer read this site, what he claims “they” do, he does himself. what Ive written on vc was, for example, that he no longer needs to show the same thing over and over…we got the point now!! Instead he should write what ppl needs to do to be saved in the afterlife(accknowledge life is about Jesus). Now , he couldnt bear that…he or “they”
    I just feel smt is off with the site..he says the symbols are damaging..yet he shows the same thing over and over

    • Hey Lisa,

      Way to go, lets try to show the people some possible solutions to the problems, not the problems over and over again! The occult people get angry easily as soon as you mention God, the Creator, Jesus, Lord Krishna – anything that reminds them of their spiritual smallness and negativity. Thats one way of unmasking them.

      I personally do not mind what names and concepts people use in their belief systems, I just don’t like when they lie about it and deceive others. Luciferians are liars by design.

    • ya he removes my comments about why he writes the same thing over and over using so much of the same visual imagery especially the sex stuff, its obvious its job is to really convert you to the devil and make him seem more powerful than he really is and create anger fear etc among those who wont be… take what you can out of the site and leave the rest, thats what i do. my comments dont even get posted anymore probably based on ip or email, same with alex jones’ site. o well, they are fucked becuze there are plenty of intelligent true belivers in Jesus Christ with divine intuition and good judgment/critical thinking skills that are just gonna take the good out of it and leave the bad. the comments on his articles are extremely poor and shallow and staged to how he/they want.

  21. Yes, Just-In-Time, take special note of the lion, it’s the symbol of a country too, dumbass…

    • Ah, I see, name-calling arrived at my blog… Divide-and-conquer is so obvious. You guys can fool the public with your masonic methods, but not the blogosphere any more. Hope you enjoy your life at your low frequency.

      • Sorry, but it’s really what a post like Just-In-Time or JJ’s deserve. You can take any symbol and claim “it’s illuminati”. Believe as you will, but the fact is plain as day for all to see if you actually bothered to do a 5 second search on something like “lion national coat of arms” it is in a handful of nations crests. I guess that means these countries are Illuminati and everyone who likes the designs are also? Are you really that deluded? And how is calling a person “low frequency” different from any other form of name calling? You know it isn’t, so I suggest you chill with all this “so and so is an agent” stuff and worry about yourself and let God sort out the rest. ;)

      • The Lion IS a masonic symbol and as such is a possible indicator for these groups, and nobody is as stupid as to think a symbol has anything exlusive on its use… All your arguments are just your own interpretations and allegations of what Just-In-Time and me were saying.
        “Low-frequency” was used as an adjective, not a name, but I’m not sure if you’ll get the difference from your logical abilities you present here. At least there is a difference in the reason for my offense: You call people dumbass for their different opinion, I call you low-frequency for your attitude.
        So your suggestion shows why you really are upset, people like you cannot bear FREE SPEACH and different opinions and want people to shut up and obey. I worry about what I choose, if it’s the powers behind the curtains, so be it.
        Enough time wasted. I actually should not be surprised to attract flies when talking about shit.

      • Don’t worry too much about it Chauk. Henrik Ibsen is the moniker of one of VC’s boys, Mr. Ryosa. They were looking for monetary gain for allowing us to conduct an experiment through the website. There are other legalities I am not permitted to divulge at this time, but Ibsen is one of VC’s cheerleaders.

        Our experiment is ongoing. Thanks for playing along Ibsen ;)

    • Several countries as well as many different products such as liquors and tobacco too. Welcome Henrik Ryosa, we were wondering when you were going to chime in :)

      • Is this the same Henrik Ryosa of here

        http://www.youtube.com/HenrikRyosaMusic

        So he says in his intro that he’s into design and death metal and has liaised with another production company in Canada. Sounds just like what Justin Time was saying about the founders of Vigilant Citizen and their Distort Media company. Look at his other website illomennation which reads Illumination and his scanime.com website with the infamous masonic lion just like Justin Time identified.

        I wonder how people following these occultists can be so completely lost as to believe they’re actually Christians, lol, death metal is satanic in origin. The Devil doesn’t really hide his tracks now does he, lol.

        How dumb do these guys think people are? Apparently it works though, if you look at the people commenting here like the second Daciple and Tweeterfist, and the majority of users on the vigilant citizen website are all like cattle to the slaughter. They’re totally inebriated and dumbfounded as to what’s right in front of them, smh.

        On the other hand they’re all probably part of the gang that runs stuff over there so we really shouldn’t be surprised they’re here denying all of that earlier stuff that just makes logical sense.

        Disinformation specialists to the max.

        by the way I found this website doing a search onwho is the vigilant citizen, it’s ranked on the first page of google for that term so your doing something right!

      • People always have a tendency to imagine the worse. They take a term like death metal and attach the devil or satan to it just because it’s very strong in it’s expression. It never ceases to amaze me how fools will demonize things they do not know.

        and SMH right back at you Sonny!

      • @sonny: “by the way I found this website doing a search onwho is the vigilant citizen, it’s ranked on the first page of google for that term so your doing something right!”

        I know, I even moved up from the bottom of the first page to the fourth position. It might have been the reason why they finally sent their kiddies over here to spam the discussion ;-) Next step would probably be crackers trying to attack my blog or my systems…
        But now I’m not listed any more… Only if you search for vigilant citizen and disinfo. Well, it looks like the marketing machine has been activated and generated some better ranking for other pages about VC… Thats how it works folks, but never mind, anybody with an open mind and some intuition will find out what we’ve found out for ourselves!

        Cheers, Chaukee

    • Jesse aka Dantalion aka Toby all one in the same or not, I don’t really care.

      Listen, whatever falling out you had with the owners of the site was in no way inspired by me.

      I’m just a creative guy from Canada that was asked to create, you know, stuff for them. I knew of nothing more than the site was being overhauled for logistics and analytics collection.

      For all I know that could have been google analytics. That’s all I knew.

      Does it really have to be all that sinister now? Canada is a big place btw, and as you stated I don’t even live there anymore.

      You really want to know what sort of stuff I’ve been working on? Well check out one of my latest projects, since you or one of your “cohorts” claimed to be a doctor you might find interest in this

      http://web.me.com/psrehab/REHABILITATION/DNS-VIDEO.html

      and WORD right back at you brosef.

      Hank

  22. You seem to be more upset than I am… interesting how one word or name not even directed at you can put you in such a huff so easily. Oh well.

  23. To say you’re conspiracy theorists. You’re so more paranoid then usual. The ads on VC relates to what’s posted. He does not control the ads [the ads are a way to pay for the site.]. Of course, none of you would know of this since you obviously don’t run a site. So, I have only one question. When will you all get a life?

    • This sounds defensive, like something the owner of that website would say, duh!

      Why else would you comment that no one else would know that ads are a way to pay for the site because they don’t run one? Chaukadeer runs one right here buddy! It’s a freely hosted site, and even one like yours would cost no more than like $10.00 a month to run. It’s the time and effort you put into misleading people to scams like the GIN that are questionable. In true disinfo fashion though, what else would any one expect of you to come here and make it seem like ads are justified because you need to recover a few bucks. Sure it’s about the money, but you’re also misleading people. You should be ashamed that you’re helping to ruin the lives of kids these days by leading them astray!

  24. First off, the comments from Daciple above are not from the real one of VC. I am friends with him and I can get him here to prove his authenticity if anyone wishes. There is a plagiarist (I am sure who) going around posing as him and other members of VC, slandering the site, owner, and other members, including Henrik, who I am also friends with.

    I moderate VC and have been a long time member. I have no bias towards VC, ask any of the many members there concerning the ”civil war” that took place earlier this year and they will tell you VC and I actually had very bad blood, so no, I am not just a mouthpiece for him.

    I do not know him personally and seldom talk to him. I, like many of you, are clueless as to if he holds malcontent in intention. I am a Christian and don’t necessarily agree with his beliefs (Mystical Christianity is all we know) but this should not be the standard to measure disinformation upon, especially considering VC seems content in providing simple information and letting his viewers come to their own conclusions, which is good. I know his articles and forums helped me come to Christ in the first place and I know many share this testimony.

    As for this article, it appears desolate in any true substance to claim psyop/disinformation towards VC. Can you please show me where the logo for GIN is on his site? I cannot find it and don’t remember ever seeing it to begin with. If it was an advertisement, that is a whole other story and has no reflection on the owner of the site as those ads are put up by Google based on how relative the content is.

    As for you people calling wolf based on him deleting your comments or whatever, if you went to VC’s actual forums you will see there is a HOST of diverse outlooks with free speech being fully endorsed. VC in no way controls what information is put out there, and people like myself continually condemn the things VC supposedly supports.

    You, the author, claim VC promotes that the ”Illuminati” (Bad term considering they are simply one secret society of many with regards to the NWO) are all powerful. They are and we should all understand what we face against. You also say he promotes how we have already lost. I don’t see how you get there, but no, so long as our faith is with Christ then we have already won.

    I don’t know your exact views, but if you are a secular revolutionist of some sort then you are the one being pawned here, and if you are preaching along these lines then it is YOU who is the disinformation, whether you know it or not.

    I hope you reply to this, I look forward to hearing from you. Everyone is welcome to the VC forums as well as I would love to converse with each of you. God bless.

  25. Hey Tweeterfist,

    Thanks a lot for passing by and telling your background! Finally someone who brings some arguments why my opinion about VC could be wrong.

    As for the “Daciple” case, sad to see that people take over identites so often in “our” business, something I would never do. The info on the site of the original Daciple is valuable for my claim however.

    The GIN logo was present on VCs main site the for a couple of weeks until I wrote this post, plus at least another week after that. It was NO RANDOM included advertisment from sources like Google Ads or the redverstisment network, but it was put there constantly, without any Ad rotation, on several pages of VCs. You could find hundreds of people having read my article and checked the logo at VCs site and having seen it with their bare eyes. Now that it has been removed I’m so confident that the main part of my assumptions was right that a simple “Can you please show me where the logo for GIN is on his site?” will not convince me of his honest intentions (if I understood you correctly, you are not convinced 100% either).

    Now if censorship should have vanished from the VC boards, first it was not that way all the time, and second, the article section still gets censored, so what does this tell you about the general value system of these guys behind VC? For me, thats just mind-games, fooling yourself.

    I completely agree that ”Illuminati” is a “bad term considering they are simply one secret society of many with regards to the NWO” – I often use this term for the same reason as VC does – simplification in titles to rouse the curiosity of readers. Guilty of that one.

    You are also right that with my assumptions on the motivation of “VC” in general I could be complety wrong or naiv. Thats why I wrote “I GUESS” ;-)

    As another wise blogger wrote, only the future will show if we have been part of the solution or of the problem!

    As for what drives me, well, my article “http://chaukeedaar.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/who-is-chaukeedaar/” would give you my background. I’m more of a deist, feel very close to the culture of the Hare Krishna movement, as well as the original spirit of Jesus Christ (not the churches-version).

    Cheers to you and have a successful incarnation!
    Chaukee

    • Thanks for replying man.

      VC originally let speculative discussion towards him fly in the past. I was one of the main speculators, actually lol. What came out of it however was the collapse of the forum, a ”civil war” so to speak. It at least was a big catalysts, there were a number of other reasons. We have since found out it was a poser fundie Christian who orchestrated all the madness. He earned the trust of myself and other Christians and segregated the forum playing both protagonist and antagonist, real elite tactics stuff. It is this same person who I and others feel is posing as certain members and speaking out against VC. The same messages found here can be found exactly as they are on a number of other sites. But for all these reasons, VC doesn’t allow it anymore. That probably fuels to the speculation but I’ve seen the damage it helped cause so I don’t blame him.

      In short, I don’t think anyone has enough validity to boldly claim VC as info as you are clearly preaching here. I just say this from a logistics approach. I can see where one makes the claim that his site externalizes the Mysteries and the elite and this can indeed be used as a negative effect for us and a positive one for them, but at the same time it can promote what is, in my opinion, the truth, as it had done for me towards Christ. He leaves it open to the viewer and I can agree with this method, though I know I personally wouldn’t go that route if I were to have such a site in place.

      Concerning your beliefs, I must say that I am in full opposition to them. Through my research, the elite were intent on opening us up to the Eastern beliefs through the Sexual Revolution, as Crowley’s Book of Law called upon in 1904. Now I know that’s a general term, Eastern beliefs, but what you seem to hold (The blending of Eastern spiritualism, Gnosticism, and New Age) is the exact manifesto of spirituality I believe will be prevalent for the New World Order.

  26. Vigilant Citizen is obviously disinfo. I post on that site and am a Muslim. I argue constantly against Daciple. He preaches fundamentalist Christianity while I preach Islam. And our posts are constantly censored

    • If this is the real Truthseer, no, all you do is troll now, and you’re trolling here. Lawlz.

      • loool real talk aint gota life. find sutin to do instead of wastin oxygen loll

    • your a pathetic troll truthseer and we all know it and you run around VC with all this insider information of your own, or so you want people to believe.When the forums went down a few months ago within minutes you had all kinds of information on why they went down. Hmmm…..

      • Err… Dude, I wasn’t registered when it went down. I’m a new member. EVERYONE. Go to the members panel and choose to see the members with mosts posts. I’m no 4 there, I believe

        I WAS NOT ON THE OLD SITE

    • Truthseer,
      I have copied the following from the VC websie for you to read……..

      In order to keep the comments section interesting to all readers, comments are moderated and the following will be deleted:

      -Personal attacks and insults
      -“First”
      -Hate Speech
      -Off Topic
      -ALL-CAPS
      -Abusive Net-Speak (“i thk dis iz crazi”)
      -Trolling or derailing the conversation
      -Spam
      -Proselytizing for or against a religion

      You are censored because, as you state, you preach religion.
      Religious zealots ruin the discussions on the VC site. It is not the place for
      your type of arguing.

      • Yeah, I read that intro at VC’s comments section. I really wonder if proselytizing for spirituality as a solution to fight the masonic belief system would be tolerated or not… Well, actually I do not wonder, I’m sure it doesn’t.

  27. So… Is VC like not really ” really ” a good guy? My comments have been removed many times on his site but I didn’t think anything of it. Can SOMEONE please ( in short ) tell me what’s the deal :)

    • Hi Lima– here’s the short version… when solutions cease to be shared that’s a disinfo person. Is he a nice guy? I think that might be beside the point, don’t you? I actually think the guy might be nice because as much trash as I’ve talked about him since I had to expose him too (and he definitely sees it) he actually hadn’t deleted my Amy Winehouse comment (oddly)… so that might make him a “nice guy”. :) In my opinion… anyone that aides the new world order in any way isn’t nice as they are all working towards our ultimate demise. ;) Hope that helps.

      Hi Chaudeedar! Thanks for the “like”! :)

      • Hey Jazz, thanks for jumping in, well put!

        I would only add that targeted advertisement for a Kevin Trudeau scam site like GIN is obviously inside NWO…

        Your welcome, I like the “Like”-button when everthing is already said! ;-)

      • Hi there Chaudeedar!

        I was popping by to subscribe and say thanks for the “like” and saw her question so thought I’d chime in! I’ve been in her shoes before. :) And it’s funny– I keep assuming people factor in GIN. Guess I’ve been at this for a while!

        I like that button too! It’s a neat feature.

  28. Well since I am being impersonated here I might as well chime in, the Commenter who says their name is Daciple is NOT me, nor is the Blog they linked MINE.

    However the long thread they copy and pasted from VC is from me in a debate I had with someone there and as such I would stand by those words themselves as they are posted on VC which can be read here:

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4532

    However and yet again, the Blog that was linked is NOT from me and I until this very moment had never seen this blog nor commented on it, the above poster is an impersonation of me and for proof, here is the Thread I created on VC where I can NOT be impersonated talking about that BS Blog under my name and this particular blog:

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8092

    This attempt at impersonating me was done as well on yoy50 blogsite which again there is a Thread on VC where I posted the Truth about that nonsense as well:

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7596

    If one takes a moment to read all of that and the Disinfo posted about VC they should take somewhat of a grain of salt to the poster and supposed info provided by JJ Virigl as the same Disinfo is on yo’s site and that exact post was emailed to me by the guy who is impersonating me on all of these different sites, who went under the name Toby Jones originally on VC.

    Yall can believe whatever you wish about VC himself IDC, but the blog and the poster under my name isnt me or from me. I would agree pretty much with what Tweet said…

    • That’s nice and all Daciple, but there is no user known as Toby Jones in the memberlist so how do we know you’re telling the truth? How does anyone know whether you’re not just another one of Vigilant Citizens personalities or not? You’re sure going through a lot of effort to deflect away from the facts divulged on who he is above which are more believable than your story. Just my two cents.

      • Am I the only one who recognizes that this Daciple character, the one going around claiming to be the Real One, is purposely trying to dumb down the way he speaks intentionally?

        I’m not just talking about the paragraph long sentences without any punctuation because I realize there are a lot of people out there that are semi literate, but typing out the word Yall is sort of a dead ringer, is it not?

        I mean, I know some people actually say Y’all in real life, but who goes to the trouble of typing it out like that on purpose to sound like a country bumpkin on a blog comment section?!

        Weird!

        SMH!

      • haahaaaaa whatever you say Toby! Be well Tobartan, you are in my prayers. May you come to Christ one day soon. I said I wasn’t going to post again but I can’t help it, this is all so funnnnyyyy

    • Hey Daciple,

      I’ve now read your post at VC’s forum about “you” being impersonated. I understand the personal disconfort something like this can create, but names are names in the end and what counts is only the thought in the words, the essence so to speak. At the moment your texts just look to me like another distraction from the statement of the original daciple who tried to unmask VC’s inherent occultism. And now you align with what Tweet said…? Common!

      What I did not understand is the obedient way you asked for your post at VC’s board not getting censored by the mods… If you’re for real and have written the texts of the original daciple I really don’t see how this wisdom comes together with the pathetic way you act over there (by begging for your content not be deleted). I would be out of there in a minute among such a suppresive group…

      In the end it seems that my blog post about the VC-GIN connection was true enough for you guys playing that dialectic game right here in my comments section. I honestly did not expect so much confirmation.

      Namaste, Chaukee

  29. You have to be careful when taking advice from any member who is part of Vigilant Citizen’s inner circle like Tweeterfister is. If you read along some of the articles he posted he came to Christ after being a hard core Satanist. He says that on the site itself, so take his testimony with a huge dose of salt, sea salt preferred, haha. Tweeterfist is one of VC’s right hand men.

    All that said, here are some facts.

    Vigilant Citizen website is owned by two different individuals but there are about a dozen contributors to the site. Most of the users are dumb kids that want to read about sensational conspiracy theories because it gives them a sense that they understand something about the world more than the authorities, read; the adults in their lives, do. That makes them feel superior and most teenagers like to feel that way.

    I am part of the group known as the “Jones”. We conducted an experiment through the Vigilant Citizen website to garner specific data on social proofing. It was a social experiment. Both VC owners were and are a part of the project. There was an internal falling out on how the data was going to be disperesed.As scientists we were looking to determine what motivates youth these days. The VC owners wanted some sort of renumeration for our participation through their website. NOTE* their website is not the only one that this experiment was conducted through.

    There were many accomplices to this work. Some random users that joined the site prior to our showing up, and others during, and still others after. Some of the users who were working with us knew what was going on. Tweeterfist knew part of the experiment and worked dilligently in the beginning to help bring out some of the effects we were after. After the falling out with the VC owners, he stayed with VC. That’s fine because there really was nothing to gain other than data collection, mostly on mind set of the sub conspiracy culture. Some of the work is still going on now. It’s all %data% collection!

    Let’s put it this way. In order to continue to be able to influence the minds of today’s youth, we need to know how they think and what direction they’re heading in. It’s not really about creating the environment for them, more of tailoring the existing one to their tastes.

    There is and will never be any sinister about it.

    Problem is that VC owners wanted re-numeration for our efforts. That was not going to happen, never in the beginning nor now. They make enough money through their site.

    Social engineering like this is constantly being conducted.

    As you were, back to the blue pill :)

    Mr. Jones ;)

    • Hey Jimmy Jones,

      Thanks for bringing some more distraction and disorientation to the discussion… ;-) I mean, what kind of scientific experient would that be that tries to provoke/”bring out some planned effects”? Looks to me like you have no idea about scientific experiments in the first place. And your goal would be to influance the minds of today’s youth? What sick kind of buyer of such a study would this be? Would sound like global=irresponsible corporations which places you right in the same elite corner I suspect VC to be. Tavistock-style!
      And then you want to continue this experiment in secret and still lay it out at an ordinary “truther” blog like mine? Common, is my article and the discussion here really that important to you guys that you invent all this sutff? I really don’t get it…

      I should see it from the entertaining perspective if it wasn’t for all these credulous lovable people out here getting disturbed by either your experiments or your disinfo (above).

      Ok, now thats about the time I allow you to steal from me… ;-)

    • lol Toby, I’m sure a lot of your work has been a big social experiment, and when people get on to you you or challenge your power you throw them away and then play little games in slandering and posing as them. It’s all in vain however and a sign of someone pretty sad.

      Yeah I was a LaVeyan Satanist many years ago before even coming to know about the New World Order. I do openly admit this because it really shouldn’t effect what I say today. I held a humanistic mindset from the ages of 13-16, much like what many kids do anyways.

      And no, I’m def not VC’s right hand man lol. Anyone actually on the boards who have seen what’s taken place between VC and myself can assure you of that.

      Keep having your fun though Toby.

  30. I should also note that Daciple, one of the more vocal proponents of this study is continuing to prove vital to our data collection.

    Thank you for participating Daciple. Your efforts have been more helpful than you know. You move on command, and are not aware of it yet. In terms of predictive behavior for a certain psychological subset, your contributions to our study are more valuable than you’ll ever know.

    • This is all getting to be too much. So you’re saying that you were conducting a study through the vigilant citizen web forums? How do we know you too aren’t a part of that site and just saying this to further add to the escalating confusion about this all? I’m thinking that the real Daciple above let the cat out of the bag and the rest of you are here to do damage control. Smells fishy to me!

      • and I’m talking about the first Daciple who said this:

        “It’s all true, but they are doing it because they make thousands daily from Google adsense and other advertisers on their website. He’s part of the Global Information Network pyramid scam which costs $1000.00 to belong to monthly/ but rakes in suckas who believe they can be made rich overnight. You can blatantly see the affiliate ads onVigilant Citizen;s other sister sites knowledgefiles.com and secretarcana.com. Kevin Trudeau started the GIN, and previously was imprisoned due to pyramid scams. It’s hard for a cheetah to change his spots!

        There were two other insiders involved in the collection of names that go by the names of Jones. Actually yhey were one person and used a hegelian dialectic to trick people. It was a big headache and they tried to silence all the Christians on the site by becoming their friends and then using a hegelian dialectic steering them away from the vigilant citizen. It resulted in a board reset like Just-In-Time said. Wut up Homie?

        Vigilant Citizen himself admits to being a Gnostic Christian. If you research gnosticism like I have you will figure out it’s Luciferian and Satanic to the core. I once brought all this information to light on the message board and vigilant citizen erased it all so I’m storing it on my own free blog that i’ve linked here. I debated a gnostic satanist in it and revealed this luciferian ideology once and for all.”

        Personally it sounds like he’s touched on something with the other JJ and Justin characters and Ibsen, the other Daciple, Tweeterfist and a few others who showed up are part of VC’s crew here to do controlled opposition.

        That’s my two cents, again!

      • Hey Montag,

        Thanks a lot for showing up and reassure me that there are still some sane people out there ;-)

        Best wishes to you, Chaukee

  31. I am also one of the researchers that helped conduct this study. I was involved in the study design. I cannot give out specifics on the methods we used for our data collection or how we used certain sub groups and belief systems to bring about our effect, nor exactly what we were after because this information is sensitive and part of a bigger effort.

    I can confirm that the owners of the VC website were on board.

    I do want to correct something “Jimmy” said above, and that was the user known as Tweeterfist was not aware of any aspect of the experiment but satisfactorily responded to a few of the triggers we put out and was used to further escalate the study.

    The group of individuals that fell prey to most of our methods were an interesting bunch. To be clear, part of the effort was to identify a certain sub-culture or psychological mind set that is prone to falling for conspiracies. The other part was how to create an environment that they will respond predictively to. Predictive behavior is very important to social scientists!

    Several “co-conspirators” of our plan, if you will, were initially implimented to create dissention amongst the ranks while others were there to join in with the two sides that were forming as a result of this coordinated effort to create division.

    Those who remain can ask themselves why certain “characters” or users are no longer around, and why they were typically involved in many of the arguments that were escalating one year ago on the forums. ;)

    Further to that, rumors were carefully woven into the story at set intervals and observations of resultant behaviors were systematically noted and recorded.

    Three citeria were identified amongst those who “bit” at the “hooks” thrown out.

    1 – They were depressed invididuals, by admission. This was a criteria that was extrapolated after rapport was gained with individuals that showed aptitude through early “bites”

    2 – They were unemployed

    3 – They felt the world was against them. That is, early on in their lives they felt different and that has caused them to seek out why that was. This is a significant characterstic of the individual that is prone to conspiracies. Note* I am not saying the certain conspiracies do not exist.

    I cannot reveal more at this time because the experiment is ongoing, but what I can say is that we achieved a high level of validity that many of these individuals are highly susceptible to conspiracies and create circumstances in their own minds to escalate them without any further “fuel”.

    I will leave the ones responding and reading here with one major clue. Many of you observed that the user known as Toby displayed different personalities at different times. “Toby” was also very well versed in many different bodies of knowledge. That would be nearly impossible for one individual to achieve, although it does happen at the genius level. In truth, there were many contributors to Toby’s character at different intervals during his existence.

    Administrators and moderators of the VC website, and the owners themselves can confirm that many different IP addresses were registered with this users postings.

    The reason why some astutely understood the differences, and why others missed them and personalized this character, is because at different times during the experiment different researchers were using that moniker as has been mentioned above.

    Again, there were about a half dozen different users posing as Toby during his entire existence.

    Most users successfully personalized this character, and that was part of the data collection.

    An “identity” with this fictional character has been created amongst the groups being observed at the VC website. This is very important information for us in our task, but not the end-all of the study, details of which I cannot elaborate on at this time.

    For now, this is all I am permitted to say.

    Daciple (the real) and Tweeterfister :) (the real) thank you for your contribution here. There were predictive measures we were after and coming here after the series of emails sent to Daciple has been an enormous bit of information to us.

    More details will follow eventually…

    • lol the plot thickens eh? Honestly, I’m actually believing in this because much of it does make sense.

      Unfortunately I don’t have any of those three traits your research tags to conspiracy theorists. I believe I was unemployed for a bit while much of this was all going on but that didn’t last.

      Very interesting though.

    • Well I give it the benefit of the doubt. Can’t say I actually believe it but, really, I don’t even care anymore.

      May I ask how I resulted in this grand study? What were my triggers, and what characteristics of me did you come to find? Tell me and I will answer truthfully on how correct you are, I swear to Yahweh on that. Let’s see how well your research went, a win-win?

    • I explained on your forum Tobartan that my depression was due to anxiety because my employers were trying to get me back to work and I was suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome and couldn’t cope being out in public, but that was months ago. So how that even qualifies me for this study of you and your cohorts is sort of besides me.

      You were the reason the forums were reset, and I don’t care if you were doing some sort of research with VC or are even VC or affiliated with VC or whatever, because it’s utterly not important to me.

  32. Tweeterfist you are either dumb or like the other guy said a cheerleader, and most probably a bit of both, to come here defending Vigilant Citizen like you do while professing to be a Christian.

    All you have to do is look at knowledgefiles and secretarcana to understand that those sites are very much in positive promotion of gnostic and occult spirituality.

    Look at the latest book he’s put up on his website you fool

    “Church and Gnosis – A Study of Christian Thought and Speculation in the Second Century by F.C. Burkitt”

    Can it get any more blatant than that?

    The best way to promote anything under the radar is to do so while pretending to be a neutral journalist commenting on both sides yet leaving the reader to come to their own decision.

    Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis

    You are helping the cause by believing you are debating against this process. You are the antithesis that will lead to synthesis.

    Here’s the process you don’t even know you are a part of, or maybe you do?

    – Some practice so offensive that it can scarcely be discussed in public is advocated by a RESPECTED expert in a RESPECTED forum. (((Oh My God Symbols Rule The World. Masonic Symbols, like the lion….GASP!))))

    – A reaction is garnered. At first, the public is shocked, then outraged. Read what Blake said above

    “But lately I’m getting confused and turned around. All this information is
    just stacking on top of more information and mixed into all of it is opinion
    and perhaps corruption. When I read other blogs where the authors seem
    so knowledgeable and confident about certain things I have a hard time
    believing it. If something like the Illuminati is so powerful and so secret how
    could anyone know so much about it, without being apart of it?”

    – But, the VERY FACT that such a thing could be publicly debated becomes the SUBJECT of the debate. In other words, the focus of this debate slightly shifts somehow. This shifting can take several forms, depending upon the subject matter, but a slight shift always occurs. ((Enter the forums where highschool kids are accessing it on their mobile phones rather than paying attention to stuff that might truly educate their poor minds. You know, science is uhm baaaaaad baaaaaa sheeeep!)))

    – In the process, sheer repetition of the shocking subject under discussion gradually dulling its effect.

    – People then are no longer shocked by the subject. ((See Lisa’s response above))

    – No longer outraged, people begin to argue for positions to moderate the extreme; or, they accept the premise, challenging, instead, the means to ACHIEVE it.

    This process works so expertly and so gradually, the change in values and attitudes of the people against whom it is directed is almost invisible.

    If you examine these six steps carefully, you will see separate elements. First, two sides in conflict are needed. One side is called “Thesis”, or the defender of the status quo. The second side is called “Antithesis” and is the attacker against the status quo.

    The final stage is called “Synthesis”, which is neither Thesis nor Antithesis. In other words, Synthesis is the real intended goal of this scripted play, and it is really and truly neither Thesis nor Antithesis.

    The books on knowledgefiles all contain varieties of embedded belief structures and commands designed to seduce the reader and aren’t there just for your information only.

    They’re there to entice the young minds that are attracted to stories that Vigilant writes about. You’re either part of the problem or helping to promote it unknowingly by engaging in debate on the topics presented within the website. What a fool.

    Read it for yourself and open your eyes

    “knowledge files is your source for free books on occultism”

    What does that say? Does it say, occultism is bad and part of the problem because symbolism from masonry comes from there, or does it read as if it’s an open promotion for occultism? Do you think for yourself or what? This VC guy is winding you up like the puppet you obviously are. For your sake I hope you clear the cob webs in your head.

    “all filed are in pdf format and are readable on iphones, ipads and other devices”

    Read this here you silly kid

    http://www.webpronews.com/iphone-tracking-your-movements-2011-04

    So every two hours apple is getting information on what you are reading and following through your iphone. Apple isn’t the only company that has put a data tracker on your phone that uploads your habits on a regular basis. Understanding what you think, where you go and what you buy is controlling you and everyone else, yet you’re probably sitting in your parents basement, not working and thinking you’ve made the big time because you are a moderator on his “unbiased” site. Wow, what a great accomplishment. I’m sure your parents are so proud.

    I’ve confirmed for myself that the GIN ads were running on his site long ago. They most certainly weren’t google ads, and have since been taken down. Defending him on that count just proves what a doormat stooge you really are for defending someone without first confirming for yourself.

    By the way. Who am I? I’d really like to know because it looks like you’ve convinced yourself than any and all people who talk out against your leader is of the same identity. You can’t fathom to believe that many people exist and are sophisticated and intelligent enough to see through his game? Nice blinkers you have there.

    “He who has eyes to see, let him see, and he who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

    • Hey Randal,

      Thank you so much for the knowleadgabe comment and the explonations of Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis – thats really what its all about, I completely agree!

      Warm welcome to you!

    • That’s a sweet piece of information on the dialectic at work Randal. I think you’ve nailed the nail on the head with that one and it’s obvious that the lackey’s for VC who showed up after the original information was posted are here to do damage control. You are right on that one! And Chaukadeer, good sir, ignore all the detractors because they just like to stir up trouble.

      To everyone else who’s more believable, the one who has a website plastered with ads and a stupid ebook for sale, or someone like Chaukadeer who is doing this out of a sense of good will, through a labor of love?

      Keep up the good work.

      • Hey Sonny,

        Welcome and thanks for the support! Don’t worry, most of the dialectic game these guys are playing here is just childs play for an old man like me, can’t take that for serious. I rather feel pitty for these poor people who fight a fight for an illusory creation like the VC site, and identify themselves with their NICKNAMES like weak-minded people. And last but not least think they can argue about my believe system when they snap some word up but don’t even take the time first to check what I really have written about religion and spirituality.

        And yeah, some people don’t activate their brains when a site is full of advertising and business – I guess they need more time to get their experiences in life ;-) If GIN and Kevin Trudeau is not obvious enough they need to help themselves…

        God bless, Chaukee

    • Don’t be condescending. I know full well the tactics of Hegalian Dialect. I also acknowledged that VC is a mystic Christian and I’ve already come to the possibilities of your conclusion LONG ago, which was one of the things that helped bring the forums down to begin with.

      Regardless, I was brought to Christ, NOT the Mystery schools, through his site and forums and I know others have been as well. Take a step into the VC forums and you will see it doesn’t all centre around what he himself writes about, not at all.

      I defended VC because I looked at the article here and claimed it to be faulty in dubbing someone as controlled disinfo, which it is. Need more proof than what has been displayed here to make such a bold claim.

      I do believe VC externalizes these beliefs but that doesn’t automatically mean someone is going to gulp it up. I have used his sites and the books downloadable from them for my own advantage in confirming my faith, and I believe all can do so as well. Living proof is right there on the forums.

      You have no idea what the former member Toby has done and what he continues to do in regards to impersonating people like myself, Henrik and Daciple on MANY sites. This is nothing new and you are ignorant on the subject so hold your tongue.

      Ultimately, you only tell me things that I already came to figure out almost a year ago, and as I said, it was on the basis of this that the civil war on VC occured with a number of Christians (Henrik, Daciple, and myself) saying what you did right out in the open. I don’t defend VC because he’s my ”leader”, I defended him here because of the content provided towards claiming him disinfo.

      VC’s forums are highly populated by Christians who preach the truth full bar and expose the Mystery schools VC may be seen to promote through his site. We also talk of how the Mysteries are being externalized and Hegalian Dialect, a long with a grand delusion to have the NWO emerge, will be used in order to bring them globally.

      I am no Antithesis because I, and others, discuss this technique and how it will be used towards the same goals of which I am supposedly not even aware of. It’s all said out in the open, I’ve already covered it, next time maybe try not to think you know me and speak with some respect. Thanks bra.

      • “Need more proof than what has been displayed here to make such a bold claim. ”

        Now that’s ironic coming from you, a VC shill who’s been throwing out all sorts of claims without providing proof.

        Take that log out of your eye bro.

        LULZZZZZZ < the latter is you – asleep, or just playing dumb for the obvious dialectic you guys are pulling off over there at the VC site.

        "I am no Antithesis because I, and others, discuss this technique and how it will be used towards the same goals of which I am supposedly not even aware of. "

        You obviously missed the obvious in Randal's post. By playing both sides of the coin you are part of the dialectic and antithesis, but something tells me you already know that and are just playing dumb "Y'all" ;) wink wink

        I love that "respect" plea, like you've shown anyone here any ::rolls eyes again::

  33. well chaukader, all I can say is that to each there own. you can believe what you want but that is Toby Jones and his crew just trying to get me to stop promoting the gospel and vigilant citizen and I have had some cross words before but it doesn’t matter because I’m not censored on his website and that’s all that counts and montage and randal are obviously more of his clones, but you believe what you want. be well tobartan, may peace be with you.

    • Do you know how dumb that sounds? Randal and Montag and the others all sound different and have different information and you want us to believe they’re all the same person?!

      Then that this person is trying to shut you up from preaching the gospel but goes to the trouble to create a blog site in your name that is ACTUALLY PREACHING THE GOSPEL? And they’re the fake one?

      Yeah right!!!

      SMH.

      • Daciple doesn’t even type like that. Go look on the VC site and compare the styles. Yes, enemies of something take the guise of what they hate and undermine it from within, while also controlling multiple sides. Surely you know this is a common tactic of the elite? (Not saying Toby and his possible crew are)

        That’s the real Daciple, I can vouche my life on it. You all comment on how his typing downgrades when he was known on VC for his somewhat sloppy style and love of capital letters (He’s gotten better at controlling that now =P).

        Yáll are being mind fucked hardcore lol. I probably still am a bit too, but go on to the actual VC forums, look up myself, Daciple, Henrik, etc. and you can authenticate who’s who.

      • Also, Montag can easily be seen as a poser as that is part of the name of the real Daciple. Toby’s just wagging it in our faces now lol…

      • lol, whatever you say real Daciple, haha. Maybe Toby is a creation of you and your leader to distract from the first comment on this blog. The party started getting real hot after that comment didn’t it? You all, or YALL showed up mighty quick to take it into different directions huh?

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  35. Ah and sorry for my late reply Chauk. Christ-Consiousness is just another replicate of the Mystery schools and pretty much is Gnosticism and the New Age movement with a slightly different face. I don’t see how you can think of it differently, they share pretty much the same fundamental tenets? Self-deification is the raw doctrine of Lucifer, always has been, and is found in every big secret society.

    • Wow, you guys are just pouring on the deflections, curve balls and the smoke screens now aren’t you? I still see it that the original Daciple struck a cord with you, and your actions are proving that to me.

      “Also, Montag can easily be seen as a poser as that is part of the name of the real Daciple. Toby’s just wagging it in our faces now lol…”

      No I’m not part of the Daciple crew, but you obviously are by admission. Why are you trying to make me out to be one of you guys?

      And who the hell is this Toby character that you guys, or one guy, keep obsessing about? Did he steal your non existent girlfriend or something, lulz.

      I also think it’s funny. A mod on VC’s website comes here to defend VC and at the same time say he’s not really on his side. Heeee heeee heeeee

      “Yáll are being mind fucked hardcore lol” – Tweeterfist

      You’re a hoot Tweeterfist. Who’s Yall? Why are you typing like the so-called real Daciple?

      “I probably still am a bit too” – Tweeterfist

      Anyone who’s on VC’s payroll like you obviously are, if you’re not one of the VC’s himself probably is being mind fucked.

      Oh right, you’re all different people.

      I like how you want everyone to go to the real VC site to get the real story. *wink*

      That’s funny.

      When will the rest of the alters show up?

      I can just imagine you saying something like You reap what you Sow, yet are oblivious to that happening in this case right now. Keep smoking whatever you’re smoking and keep believing that your story, if you even have one because I’m not really following it at the moment, actually matters to anyone…losers!

      • Commenting to you saying I’m still playing my antithesis role here, Hegalian Dialect loses it’s effects when people understand the aim of it. The only way it can work is if the people falling for it are ignorant towards the real goals of both opposing sides and the result that will come out of it, the result riding on the consent of the people, who obviously won’t consent if they know what’s up, and in many posts I let this be known.

        Never said you were apart of the Daciple crew. You’re using a name related to Daciple however, I won’t say how, so either that’s a maajjor coincidence or it’s intentional. I won’t guess either way, what I have to say here isn’t focused on your sole viewing anyhow.

        Toby already admitted who he (They) were above, which I’m somewhat surprised about. I give plausibility to his story but really I just don’t care. What I do care about is people posing as myself and friends and tarnishing our names, but I’ll take this as a form of flattery.

        Mostly came here to defend myself and friends, but just because I’m a mod doesn’t mean I have some hard on for VC. I aint his friend, I don’t know him well at all, and I share similar suspicions towards what a number of people said here, in all honesty. However, I admire his work and how it has helped me on my seeking of the truth, as well as his forums. If it wasn’t for his forums and the people on there I may not be in Christ today as I am.

        I also felt obligated to comment on this article proclaiming VC as a bona fide controlled op yet having a pretty weak amount of evidence. I see this far too often in the truth community, people trying to piece together things with flimsy means in all sorts of areas, and as a fellow truther I feel obligated to voice my opinions out on this. If I was a mere puppet I would not be voicing out all my opinions (Some of which actually go against VC) here as I am doing, so drop that schpeel already.

        lol so because I say yáll you connect me to Daciple now? More flimsy reasoning from a soft conspiracy-muddled mind. You don’t know me, or how I regularly type, and you just gulp up what random people here have to say about me being on some pay roll without verifying the other side of the story. You are no better than one who just gulps up what the TV says and you probably nod your head and download whatever any random Youtube video has to say come conspiracies.

        But this has already grown stale. Pretty pointless of me to banter with yáll as so. Think of me what you will, I could care less. I would like to discuss with Chaulk his beliefs however. I find it funny that he claims VC disinformation and people here cite VC externalizing esoteric beliefs when Chauk here is doing the very same thing with his Christ Consiousness. (Not meaning to deflect anything at you man, I would just like to discuss this more. I wouldn’t be able to satisfy the people here against me without showing them my Facebook and that I’m just some 19 year old dude but I aint obviously doing that)

  36. Just throwing this out there… what does islam have to do with Luzifer conspiracies??? Christianity is the only religion (not even athesism can keep up) that can connect almost all of the fundamental factual conspiracies… I really dont see how Luzifer is implied to the conspiracies with islam, the belief system is even based on moon worship, which even where Islam fits in its part of the Luziferian conspiracy…

    • Islam is a direct opponent to Christianity and it even boasts that with it’s doctrine that slanders Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Where Christianity was originally spreading, Islam now dominates. It is also the fastest growing religion in the world.

      I believe Revelation mentions it’s inception with the 1st Woe. I’d look into that.

      I also believe Islam will be a fundamental catalyst towards WW3. Their end times prophecy is one of conquest when the al-Mahdi is to appear and unite all them. Wouldn’t be too hard to pull this prophecy off and have the three Abrahamic faiths take part in one epic war… one which I believe will be posed as the end times (Islam being said to be the Antichrist, as mainstream Christianity is being conditioned today), and when the dust settles the TRUE Antichrist system will emerge, and it will preach the Mysteries (Luciferianism), these ascended masters/aliens/what have you (Can be all the same) hold the truth and come to help us.

      Many will consider this the actual end times and Christ coming back with the ”real” message but it will all be one big delusion… and that’s the start of the New World Order.

  37. Thank you for the information. I was getting a bit wary of the VC website, especially since 99% of the forum is filled with absurdity and stupidity and he allows it to be that way. Regardless of whether or not he is a disinfo agent, his character remains questionable.

    • If you look at the site a little while as a lurker it’s just one big mess mostly with stupid kids trolling each other and about only 20-30 consistent members at any given time, probably less than that. His, or their alexa rank is pretty good so he gets a lot of readers and there’s been dozens of story’s of the suppression of genuine knowledge that goes on there. For all we know these characters here are all just playing games like they do on that forum for idiots.

  38. Yes I see it the same as you do!
    Exposing Islam is not the problem (moon worship, false teaching about the deity of Lord God, false Lord God etc.) Its just I wanted to know why Islamic believers try to connect their religion with the conspiracies that dont fit, and thank you for your answer!

    Oh that is interesting, I thought (after doing research on Luzifer) that he wants to decieve ALL (even the religions he has created)… I kinda thought that New Age would be a good go on how to make a one world religion (As in Lord God and Luzifer being a force and nothing more, which would connect perfectly with “science” way of thinking) since christians automaticly reject the Islamic religion, if they would rise (Islam), we would rebell and that would also include the catholics (Which is also a created religion of Luzifer) but the believers of the corrupted bible would still rebell against the idea. If I were Luzifer (which I am not I am happy having Jesus Christ as my saviour) I would want to pull in everyone into the new religion without a rebellion (which would maybe happen aready in the new world order) He would be the messiah for the jews and muslims, aswell as he would be the returned Jesus again corrupting his own (force) religion so that his glory days begin, the worship to Luzifer, the bringer of Light! …

    Well one thing is for sure, is that Islam will be an important part in Luzifers plan!

    • You’re on the right track, for sure.

      The New Age movement is probably our biggest target here as it’s beliefs encompass a variety of things suitable for the New World Order. They promote ideals akin to the Mystery schools (Self-deification through knowledge, the immortality of the soul as well in some cases, coincidentally the two first lies the serpent told Eve). It also promotes a ”global village” and it pretty much turns the New World Order around to be a GOOD thing (Would research the Venus Project as it is a system which I consider most relative to the NWO. It has also been touted by Zeitgeist, who is obvious disinfo)

      I would research…
      The Mystery Schools (Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian, Greek, Western, Eastern, you name it)
      Kabbalism
      Gnosticism (The Manicheans and Cathars as well)
      The Assassins
      Knights Templar
      Rosicrucianism (And all subsequent Hermetic secret societies)
      Freemasonry
      The Jesuits (Loyola’s spiritual teachings and the Alumbrados as well)
      Order of the Illuminati (Though you probably know a fare amount about them anyways)
      Theosophy (Mother of the New Age movement)
      Thelema (Created by Crowley, who prophecised of the Sexual Revolution in 1904 in his Book of Law)
      And, of course, the New Age movement as a whole, of which ALL of these groups are in relation with.

      Study their core teachings on gnosis and you will see how prevalent it has become in our world, and how all these groups are linked under this philosophy, the true form of Luciferianism. These beliefs will be promoted as liberating truths to the remaining masses after WW3 and this will enter us into the NWO, with many smiling and holding hands.

      Hope I’ve helped, God bless. =)

      • A brilliant attempt to sideline the main topic by the VC puppet mod

      • Mhh yes the new age very intersting, I have noticed this has been brought into “style” in the 70s also called the hippi age (I call it the modern wiccan and cosmos age\movement) , where love and compation is praised, as well as organic food. Which isnt the first mother earth or cosmos movement, but I havent looked much farther…
        The NWO (like you will know) creates a problem, people want something done, and then solve it while progressing on to their next goal… I believe the Greenpeace and\or other organic companies (help earth) also bring in mythology and earth elements (mother earth) beliefs to the normal person, who is loving and does want to help the future of the earth…
        I work at a place where Rudolf Steiner is studied and his works is praised, their main thing is organic food, pray to mother earth, do earth rituals etc. They are into runes and wicca (which I noticed when they did the star dance, or pan dance, which is a ritual walking on a pentagram and doing earths movements and and praying for entlightment from the earth and stars), this is where I started to notice that Rudolf Steiners philosphy is about becoming a god, and claim that recardination to earth and working on one self changes the soul after time combining the good and evil teachings equaling them and become a pure soul (arian soul) such as Jesus Christ (which is blasphmey!). I bought a book there (theosophy by Rudolf Steiner, not from blawatsky) after my eyes were open to see the luziferian conspiracy (and noticing that its taking place everywhere, which was frightening)… I was shocked, and it took me a good 2 weeks to fully realize what was going on, it was surreal… I started to see the pentagram, the 3rd eye knowledge, the three snakes everywhere and when my boss then talked to me that I should allow my personal angel, who holds the light to entlighten me and learn from him (which was before I realized this stuff, it was a time when I was searching for the truth) blew my mind away when actually thinking about it! And then when I asked about theosophy they called it the okkult knowledge that is long forgotten and that they go by the good side (wiccans)… even though Rudolf Steiner was the leader of theosophy for 10 years, they find it funny that I know more than the elders… they dont know that I am a hardcore true christian (they say they are christians but logically they are not) Thesosphy is very interesting and I find what madame blawatsky has written very intersting! (I have not read her books yet though)

        Why Yes I have read most of them (or read a little about)
        Oh could you name me some good books about babylon??

        Kabalah, I have some books but I just started (I think its about the different dimentions that supposedly explain the whole universe) with actually getting active with reading (am reading “pawns in the game” right now, which is like the beginners guide about the money lenders and illuminati)
        I am missing themla though thanks for listing that!
        I have about 1000 ebooks on the topics you have posted… and have read one so far haha I hope I have enough time to read them all
        but do you maybe know another book that talks about the earth beings or human form without Lord Gods spirit? or known as giants, reptilains etc? (other than genesis and enoch? non-biblical?)

      • ah no truthseer this is in the middle of the topic not on the bottom, I dont think that everyone who postst something otherwise then exposing VC is from VC… you are letting this eat you up too much, and dont worry I am not from VC and really still dont understand what is going on with VC (except that they are deleting posts that talk about them)

    • That subject is off limits due to what it has caused towards the forums. We used to be able to talk all about our suspicions on VC and you know that as you were there for all those things.

      Now you have devolved into a troll who seems insecure about homosexuality and a mosquito we constantly have to ban because all you want to do is slander and troll the boards. Get a life man. You used to be a half decent poster, what the fuck happened?

      • Tweet, how can anyone even have the slightest shred of respect for you after reading this? Let’s dissect

        That subject is off limits due to what it has caused towards the forums. We used to be able to talk all about our suspicions on VC and you know that as you were there for all those things.

        No I was on the NEW boards. I lurked on the old boards, never saw a Toby

        Now you have devolved into a troll who seems insecure about homosexuality and a mosquito

        Homosexuality what? I never mentioned homosexuality here. And I can believe it’s a sin and you won’t stop me

        we constantly have to ban because all you want to do is slander and troll the boards

        As usual, a lie. Prove one fake account made with the same IP as truthseer, I dare you.
        You’ll say proxies, well, I say prove it was me. IT WAS NOT

        Get a life man
        Says the one who came here to defend VC

        You used to be a half decent poster, what the fuck happened?
        Betrayal

  39. And to be honest… couldnt it be that the person who has this blog, is the one who is giving wrong information so people dont look for the truth by VC aswell? (Illuminati agent)
    I would like to remind people not to rely on others, again I havent looked up VC myself and what else they do, but the info on VC (so far) has supported the Luziferian fundamentaly with christianity, I think the maker of this site (who is muslim or hindu) doenst like it that VC is christian, but then again I need to look into VC a little more!!!

    • You sound like a shill yourself (which is possible), but then again maybe it’s not (which is also possible), but then again I need to think about it a little more!!

  40. And The Creator seems to be HIndu. VC is a Gnostic Christian. A gnostic Satanic Luciferian

      • And what is with Lady Gaga being VC? I am confused with VC now… what are talking about and what is going on haha (this is very amusing)

    • Don’t listen to this guy. Probably the biggest VC troll. Search up his name on the boards and see the substance of his posts yourself…

      • Yawn. You only banned me once. And then you claim I was banned many times.
        Go back to VC

  41. Hey Ouendan and Tweeterfist,
    You guys are really trying hard to twist the discussion away from VC to a religious fight here.

    “I think the maker of this site (who is muslim or hindu) doenst like it that VC is christian, but then again I need to look into VC a little more!!!”

    First, I’m no muslim and I will never be. To me, a religion that allows itself to suppress 50% of the population (women), treats pedophilia as cultural normality and kills people for their other believe systems ethically is not much higher than satanism itself.

    Second, I’m no Hindu as I believe in one God, the Creator of all that is, not in dozens of Semi-Gods (that probably rather are and have been demons or physical extraterrestrials). I do think that the eastern spiritual traditions have kept a lot of true wisdom that has been lost in decades of jewish and christian religious brain-wash in the west (coming from these religions having been in the wrap of the pharisee/occult and mystic secret societies all the time). The concept of immortal souls and Karma is a thousand times more plausible to me than the concept of forgiveness of sins and this simple heaven-and-hell concept that the churches extracted from the bible (and a bible that is thrown together and selected from chosen sources and manipulated in the early days).

    If you can sleep better in giving me an label, please call me a follower of the Hare Krishna movement of Srila Prabhubada and a true lover of Jesus Christ. And when I talked about Christ-Consciousness I did not mean that twisted New Age bubbling I just looked up after Tweeterfist’s question, but that I dignify the teachings and the life of Jesus, and not that weird doctrin of salvation and supression of spirituality the churches created afterwards.

    I hope some of you can understand my words a little, the way you are throwing around labels instead of knowledge and understanding of the worlds spiritual wisdom leaves me here in some sense of doubtfullness.

    Hare Krishna, Chaukee

    • This is blasphemy! How can you combine created and fundamentaly flawed religions with words of knowledge ( the truth that cannot, i mean, cannot be broken?) I (as I said earlier) do NOT follow anykind of church as well as anyother manipulated and changed truths about Jesus Christ, you even saying that you accept him as a (important) person shows right away what impact he had back when religion was the way to rule people (every major religion added Jesus Christ the true Lord God to their made up luzifer religions so that people would still come and follow their blaphemy)
      You are not a lover of Jesus Christ, if you dont follow the doctorine and change it to your way is changing the Lord God (in flesh) to a lunatic with magical powers!
      Yes the church teach junk about heaven and Hell, and the church is made up so that people don follow the truth, the way and the life! I do take offense of people who just mix and match to their own will…

      Nope sorry I do not understand how you can Hare Krishna (who is one of the faces of luzifer)

      WAIT WAIT… ok, you know my email… explain to me please (I will not hurt you, I want to understand) how you can fundamentaly (with facts and logic) come to the conclusion that you have, really I just want to know, I will NOT kill you or make you feel bad, I just want to undersatnd your assumtions!

      And I am sorry for dissrupting the discussion about VC! (But I need to know who the person is who is spreading this info aswell)

      • Chauk, I wouldn’t be emailing this Ouendan character if I were you. He sounds like a phoney and like the Real Daciple it looks like he’s trying to dumb down his writing purposefully. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a shill like the others as well. He probably wants to find out where you are posting from. Also, why not just answer here since you obviously have nothing to hide, so the rest of us can also read what you have to say to this crew that is trying to make you look like the questionable one, when obviously you are not.

      • Hey Sonny,

        Thanks for the advice and sorry for the late approval – just found your comment in the spam folder.

        Don’t worry, I do not respond to provocations that go beyond a certain level of decency…

        Peace, Chaukee

      • Ok, finally I got it, Sonny = Not Your Ordinary Citizen = I am who I am ;-) Quite a lot of alter egos on the same comment thread…

    • Discussing VC here is now pointless. Think what you want about him and myself, I could care less because I would have to stretch out my neck to battle these claims and that isn’t happening. Yáll can keep up with the suspicions, I’d rather use my time here on discussing something productive though.

      You cannot love Christ if you reject what He has done for us, that being sacrificing himself to pay for the debt your sin has caused. We are given this time in the world to choose to either strive to reclaim what was corrupted or embrace the corruption, that result being an eternal death (Eternal torture is a Catholic/pagan concept and isn’t Biblical). God’s plan is to restore all what was lost, meaning sin is not compatible with this, so He has us understand both sides and make our choice, those consenting to the true and proper way of the universe having a place in it for all eternity, free from sin, as we of the faith pursue in our lives today.

      The concept of an immortal soul and achieving gnosis towards God is the exact lie the serpent told Eve. It is the fundamental beliefs of all these secret societies and elite who consider us cannon fodder and it is the beliefs that will be build the NWO spiritually. If you are indeed a Westerner, I highly doubt you would even believe what you do today if it wasn’t for the elite opening up the doors to it, as was said to happen in Crowley’s Book of the Law and Bailey’s Externalization of the Hierarchy. They indeed followed up on those promises they made in the early 1900’s. It is all documented and going to plan, and you unfortunately are falling for it.

      I pray that your journey for the truth brings you to it and the true Christ my friend.

      • Are you com mparing vc to Christ and sacrifice? Good lord. You are.brainwashed

        You say often that vigilant and his site “saved you” .that alone should be enough reason for you to re collaborate your spiritual compass if you are sincere.

        Wake up “don’t believe the hype”

    • There were also a couple of other threads like this started by users who were getting too curious.

      Every single one of them has been locked and deleted so far, but there is one right now that is still going strong at the current moment and let me tell you, the user who started this thread is being very honest and outspoken about the unethical practices that Vigilant Citizen is doing with users on the message boards.

      I get the feeling he will be banned soon.

      For a supposedly “anti-NWO” website, they sure are quite fascist when it comes to censorship and their “rules”.

      It seems the only users that ever stay on their the longest are bored teenagers with nothing better to do with their lives, who pretty much contribute no meaningful information. They just sit around and talk about their favorite “pop stars” or whatever media garbage interest them. If you ever say anything that is considered “negative” about these “pop stars”, these “fans” will start to attack you just because you have seen these “pop stars” for the deceitful illusions that they really are.

      A prime example of this would be the Lady Gaga subforums. You don’t DARE say anything negative about Gaga to those kids. They’ll rip you to shreds. Notice how those users get to stay on that site and never get banned, but yet curious users who question what the site’s true intentions could possibly be, get banned in a heartbeat.

      I swear the only reason those teenagers are even on their is because of those “pop stars”. Take away the “pop stars” and I’ll bet you a good majority of those kids wouldn’t be on that site to begin with.

      To put it mildly, very little differs between Vigilant Citizen and your basic celebrity tabloid sites like TMZ or Perez Hilton.

      • Thank you for your response. I have noticed all of those threads being locked and removed as well. I am very glad to know that users are starting to bring up the unethical fascist-like practices of VC and his sycophant moderation crew.

        The teenagers on there are very naive and extremely ignorant, but I suppose that’s the type of mind VC prefers to have on his forum as opposed to a mind that seeks to find truths (the fact that a Lady Gaga sub-forum even exists, attests to this). Furthermore, VC himself appears to have the maturity and mindset of a teenager.

        “To put it mildly, very little differs between Vigilant Citizen and your basic celebrity tabloid sites like TMZ or Perez Hilton.” I completely agree with you, so much for VC being a place of “enlightenment.”

    • Well one of the first comments on this blog above said the past in quotes below.

      I’m just going to cut and paste this as none of the words are mine, but I want to point out that after this was posted a whole shit storm blew up here and in the yoy50.wordpress.com site about vigilant citizen. Just saying, something’s up…

      “JJ Virgil

      These guys own and operate the vigilantcitizen.com

      http://www.twistimage.com/en/who-we-are/our-leadership/mickael-kanfi

      Mickael Kanfi

      and

      http://www.twistimage.com/en/who-we-are/our-leadership/mitch-joel

      Mitch Joel

      They also are responsible for this site, another recruitment site for the GIN.

      http://elirook.com/ and

      http://jointhenewworldorder.com/index2.php

      http://www.youtube.com/elirook

      Eli Rook can be found on facebook with thousands of followers too. He used to have a website that had a variety of youtube short vids on it that painted a picture, while selling a $47.00 Ebook which basically explained that the Illuminati/Elite are good people and had to keep things secret because the general populace wasn’t ready for them. Following along in the game, it was a big setup to get recruits for the GIN scam.

      Incidentally GIN is a pyramid scam, and the only way you can actively recruit or have an affiliate number is to BE A MEMBER. VC is definitely a member. It’s a $1000.00 a month scam, and part of externalizing the hierarchy of the elite as well.

      Joel is an online marketing genius who also owns Distort Entertainment and “produces” music for “underground” or “urban” band in Montreal and Toronto. Mickael lives in Laval where VigilantCitizen runs his operation out of. Henrik Ryosa of illomennation.com is also one of their accomplices who also knows a lot of digitial media and was once working with Joel on Distort Entertainment until realizing separate ideas would pull them in separate directions. Henrik now lives in Sweden and runs a production/media company of his own, but helps to steer people in certain directions with online contributions mainly to VC’s forum.

      The two of Joel and Kanfi have enough insider information to concoct the stories on VC, and knowledge between them to get thousands of viewers a day, upwards to 40k. Look at the google ads on that site and realize they’re making major BANK. Enough to justify launching two more copy cat sites

      http://knowledgefiles.com/

      and

      http://secretarcana.com

    • Tell me who you know was banned and for what given reason, and if it was wrongful then I will investigate it personally.

      Truthseer above has been creating many false accounts for a bit so this may be who you speak of, though I can check the logs for specific users if you wish.

      lol the Gaga subforum is indeed sad, that’s the forbidden zone right there and stands because otherwise the Music section would be flooded with crap on her. The woman is surrounded by a lot of symbolism. To say the whole forum is like this is a far cry however. The Religion section is always filled with insightful debate and I have learned much from it.

      I feel all my words are in vain here however but whatever.

      • Prove this. You will not be able to. It is a lie. And you know, you banned FP for writing on yoy!s blog

      • Hello Twetterfist, one of the users banned immedilately without warning was Mysticshadow, the other being myself (mysticseeker). We were both banned on one occsaion for asking a question about the moderators –a ban that was given without warning and lasted 24hrs. Yesterday, a thread was opened questinoing who VC was, and of course it got closed and deleted, and I, along with Mysticshadow were permanently banned. No obvious violations were made. I was banned for simply starting a thread questioning who VC was. It’s all quite ridiculous and childish to me –both VC and the ban happy moderator “Hartwell.”

      • @Twetterfist: Note that conveniently, those threads have all now been removed by the fascist regime. If there is anyway that you can possibly go back and review the deleted threads –then please do. Let me know what violations were made…

      • The banned members have already been pointed out. As for the religions section, I try to steer clear of that place because I don’t want to get into heated arguments with people. I am what many Christians would consider a “pagan” (I’m a spiritual person, not religious.), but I mean no harm.

        Let’s put all of our religious/spiritual beliefs aside right now, I want to explain everything I know so far about the site, but this might take a couple of comment post.

        In case you are wondering, I am one of the users who posted on the Mitch Joel thread. To give you a hint, I was the one who stated that my computer almost crashed when I visited a site connected to Mitch Joel.

        io would know who I am.

        Sorry for my bitching before, but I’m just becoming frustrated with the site. It’s not the information database I thought it would be, no matter how hard I tried to gather links and images from around the web to prove my point. I feel like I have been tricked. I know I am taking a great risk and might be considered a traitor, but I really don’t care at the moment. Something’s got to give with the message boards.

        It’s getting too obvious as to who I am right now, so I’m going to stop here.

      • @No One In Particular, I’m glad to see you here! I was concerned I wouldn’t be able to get in touch with you again after that incident. It’s also great to see that you are still questioning and searching.

  42. Sorry for that. Anyways VC is disinformation. I have been warned for asking who VC is. Banned for asking if Dat Simple was right.

    • Accepted ;-)

      Awesome statement of yours:
      “For a supposedly “anti-NWO” website, they sure are quite fascist when it comes to censorship and their “rules”

      At least at my blog, nobody gets censored, even for the most brainless comment. If people want to compromise themselves, so be it. Unless its racist or violently offending or commercial spam I don’t censor. Freedom of speach and thought includes the tolerance towards other opinions.

  43. I too got a permanent ban from VC for participation in the thread and possibly for questioning the bannings. The moderator “Hartwell” is the worst for that. But they all have problems and huge egos.

  44. That wasn’t mine. It was someone else. Anyways, another member Femalepharoe got banned. She was a real theorist with sound facts and generally logical explanations. Why was she banned? Did you know she had received no warnings? She was banned for asking about V.C

      • Tweet, you are behinf the.times. She got permanently banned. Go to DIsinfo Citizen, today fightingmonk. One comment, deleted. FP is banned, she wrote an essay on that. I shall mail her anf ask her to clear this.here

      • Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,

        Tweet , if you are not a disinfo agent you are incredibly naïve. And though this is…endearing and cute, it is incredibly dangerous for you to be so willfully blind as to pledge allegiance to the multiply recorded suspicious activities of a site that is supposed to promote truth and knowledge.

        The one known as “Hexa” started to target and attack me through a series of attempts of embarrassment (they did not have his intended effects). The one you linked, shows Hexa (which is what he did twice) quoting me and warned to a warning of “inciting emotions” yet then turned around and admitted that he did NOT read the full thread, did NOT know who I was responding to, and did NOT know what I was talking about. He then had to apologize twice for being such a poor moderator (we know why). He stated that I was “inciting emotion” – literally this was his beef.

        The one known as Hexa – the house slave- had posted a response on the “yoy50” site in an attempt to 1: discredit VC questioners as everyone was to “laugh at them” (that means you guys) and 2: draw out possible defectors and questioners.

        Once I read through the knowledge on the yoy50 site, it reminded me of a time where I was attempting to post as a reference, a site that was an illuminati data bank. It has no author and is literally just a bunch of articles from published people and pictures. For some reason my article would not post. It was only until I broke down the article bit by bit to identify what the filter was kicking out that I realized it was the link for the site as I had an image from it.

        Now you may ask yourself WHY would a truther site that supposedly promotes a fluidity of conversation want to appear as the only authority on illuminati knowledge??

        I sent an email inquiring about why I could not post to the site. (per your “ask him, he’s a nice guy”) and I only received a snarky retort saying do not “accuse them” of censorship. He did not explain as to how/why the site was filtered. You draw your own conclusions.

        I then posted a response on the yoy50 site. Later I made a farewell telling everyone to be “careful”, I did NOT disclose my findings. I did NOT post any defamatory comments. THAT was in fact the last post I made before being bannedd. The one Hexa – the house slave – locked it and deleted it within minutes. I was then banned after having no warnings. (The only reason I knew was bc I got a message and attempted to check it but the big permanently banned would not.allow it) Essentially I was banned for making a comment about VC not even ON HIS SITE!

        Do you know what that means? They, being marketing geniuses, are scouring the internet for who is talking about them and banning or erasing the people who they believe to be “mutinous”. Is this not Stalin techniques of erasing people are of the picture? In short the people who are “crazy Christians” are allowed to speak about people going to hell , muslim pedos, gays etc and their posts are still up for the viewing public. Yet , time and again, a “normal” Christian can state “ I have faith that we will make it” and get warned for speaking about religion. There’s a reason.

        There’s a reason why so many hostile trolls are allowed to stay yet people who are contributing to the boards are targeted. There is a reason that the children in the “gaga sub forum” go unchecked. There is a reason a solid post can have 100 views yet it is not until a few people actually start talking about the issue that a gaggle of trolls comes in out of no where to distract.

        It is a means to keep the people visiting distracted and confused! All of these sites may be intertwined, but I just wanted to speak on the absurdity of the gentlemen claiming that conspiracy theorist are “depressed” and “paranoid” : talk about hypocritical.

        He claims that people who are trying to identify when someone is lying to them are crazy , while at the same time admitting to manufacturing an elaborate scheme through lying to them.

        HA!

        I do not believe that the infamous “toby” existed. The VC site is housing some dangerous secrets and I believe that this character – like so many of the regular posters on VC- was created in an attempt to draw out those who may pose a problem. The unfounded attacks and ban of myself will (and has) served as a big question mark towards these recent tactics as my posts and persona speaks for themselves. Also , I just want to warn any of the disinfo paid shills that may try to imposter me (as all of this craziness is usually associated with the site ensues con artist) ; that unless you have the charisma, pan-africanist knowledge in regards to the agenda, feminine righteousness, and over all style – do NOT embarrass yourself. It will be obvious…ya know?

        Happy Holidays,. FP

      • Hey dear femalepharoe,

        Welcome and thanks very much for another statement of reason, truthfulness and positivity! It really helps myself to not lose my faith in mankind too much when I read such texts as yours!
        Especially after those other comments from uneducated kids that see the worlds spiritual traditions only from their fundamentalist (and sorry to say: “christian”) religious brainwash and some conspiracy theories about secret societies. There have always been other, good forces in the history of mankind, but they are so convinced of the omnipotence of the “Illuminati” & Co. that I must say VC and all the other pseudo-debunkers succeeded…

        “Yet , time and again, a “normal” Christian can state “ I have faith that we will make it” and get warned for speaking about religion. There’s a reason.”

        You are so right, the evidence is here and numerous and for everybody to see. Life always will find a way to teach us what we tend to ignore, with more or less suffering.

        Namaste, Chaukee

    • Her banning never made any sense to me. A lot of her post were quite informative with “Illuminati Theft pt 2: Madonna , Beyonce Prototypes” being one of her best thread, which I heavily contributed to.

      Sorry to hear about your banning, truthseer. I get the feeling I’m going to get banned next for treason, but these forums call for a reformation.

      • Female, I am true when I say that your banning escaped me. I assumed you simply left after making that post because I really didn’t see much more out of you after that, though I also wasn’t on the site as much this past week due to the lovely stresses of life.

        Laya has made a thread pertaining to you coming on an alt and making a post with regards to this and Hexa. I just saw it not long ago actually.

        I ensure you I’ll look more into this. While we didn’t agree with everything (Males and females and whatnot =p), you indeed were a good addition to the forums and I was disheartened to see you go the way you did. This concerns me even more however.

        I’ll bring up a thread in the mod lounge and look into it. I’ve gotta get some sleep for work though so I’ll do this tomorrow morning. Please send me an email at lseibert81@hotmail.com so we can keep in touch.

      • Also didn’t mean to call you Female, should have said FP lol. My apologies, wasn’t thinking come that.

  45. Okay I think all of you are ready for this.

    By now I’m pretty sure that you are all aware that I am Ayaka from VC.

    What to know what started to get me suspcious about the site and the heavy censorship?

    About a month ago I tried to make a post in a thread called “Top ten violence-inducing prescription drugs”. I noticed that a couple of the drugs on the list (Luvox, along with various types on amphetamines) I have taken over the years and have made me a primal aggresive beast. It seem that these drugs will break you down to the most primitive instinct of the human mind. Possibly to give the elite better control over the users. I have made a post in the past about my problems with SSRIs, but in this post I wanted to get into way more detail. This time I was going to explain how it causes triggers in our minds that make us extremely sucidal. I remember it was about three paragraphs long.

    When I tried to submit it, I was quickly redirected to the main site. I figured it might have had something to do with the site’s word filter, so I changed some of the wording around and tried to resubmit it about three times. Well guess what, on the third and final time I tried to resubmit it the connection became much slower and eventually there was no connection at all. I was blocked from going into the site. Everytime I kept trying to go in the site, the connection went nowhere. This happened for about two days.

    Remember the post I did about VC being blocked from my laptop? Well, this is it. I even contacted the moderators so they could fix it and I swear it felt like it took forever for them to reply (Gee, I wonder why?) As for the thing about borrowing a another computer, I will admit I made that part up to disguse the fact that I was using a proxy to get back into the message boards. I was afraid that if I told everyone that I was using a proxy, the moderator would even try to diasable my connection there, too. Let’s just say that this is when the shit hit the fan with me. I figured that this site just had to be censored. It seems that there is a limit to what you can say on that site. If you go too far into the information, you will only be put up with by for so long and will be eventually banned. I learned that giving out deeper information about the elite and their agenda is an easy ticket to get banned. You will also get ridiculed by many of the users, too. This has happened to me a lot on there when I tried to point some things out.

    Here are some lovely examples on how they like to slander us:

    Congress voted “Pizza” is a vegetable: No Joke:

    In this thread I tried to point out how a tomato is actually a fruit and not a vegatable.

    Want to know what my reply was from RIRIsG4L, ” Wow…you care waaaay too much about tomatoes.” I remember nola and Raelyn tried to talk some sense into this moron, but it didn’t work. RIRIsG4L has got to be one of the most useless users on that site. Doesn’t even believe that the elite even exist and just keeps posting those stupid “U MAD” images with the troll face. Memes. Aside from “How People View Me”, a good majority of those memes are more annoying than funny or amusing.

    Jay z taught in Schools (http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8097&hilit=jay+z+taught+in+schools):

    I got a lot of people attacking me on this one just for saying that schools should focus on more important matters than mindless “pop culture” (and you wonder why society is so fucked up these days), which they never do because schools are nothing but places to get children conditioned for the Hive Mind starting as early as possible.

    I once even posted a quote from John D. Rockerfeller where he adimited true intentions behind the so-called “educational system”, which is a real quote. However some user named “aaayitselle” (with what else but a Lady Gaga avatar) came along and decided to make me look like a fool.
    Here’s the quote I used:

    “I don’t want a nation of thinkers. I want a nation of workers.” – John D. Rockefeller (Founder of the National Education Association)

    aaayitselle’s reply:
    “http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_D._Rockefeller

    “I don’t want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers.
    Attributed by Jim Marrs in the William Lewis film One Nation Under Siege (2008); no published occurrence of this has been located prior to The Trillion-Dollar Conspiracy : How the New World Order, Man-Made Diseases, and Zombie Banks Are Destroying America (2010) by Jim Marrs”

    It is a disputed quote. I googled it and it only appeared on conspiracy theory sites, so I don’t believe that he said that.

    “I know of nothing more despicable and pathetic than a man who devotes all the hours of the waking day to the making of money for money’s sake.
    Random Reminiscences of Men and Events (1906)”

    Notice how this person instantly trys to cover it up just to make the Rockerfellers look good.

    I then looked in this person’s post history and noticed that she pissed anme1984 (now known as Astral Gemini_1984) off by posting a link from “United With Israel” by trying to make the country look great by presenting their “latest scientifc breakthroughs”. After reading this, it was pretty obvious that “aaayitselle” is a Zionist disinfo agent. Speaking of disinfo agents, I find it hilarious how Henrik once called me that when I first joined the site. “Disinfo agent”, along with “ignorant” and “lier” are common words that a lot of the users on their like to call anyone who gives way too much detailed information. It’s like heaven forbid, you happened to say something negative about some “pop star” or celebrity. Everyone wants to hang you for even saying such a thing. If anything the site is more of a celebrity gossip/fangirl site than a site with actual information. I swear the Lady Gaga subfourms feel more suitable for a Lady Gaga fansite.

    and please don’t get me started on VC Tinychat. I used to go in their from time to time, but had to leave because a good majority of the conversations were about sex and pornography (Which even caused Ambroise to leave there, but who could blame her. Smart girl!) Seriously, does any of that have to do with “conspiracy theories”? For me, nothing interesting ever happened there. Just Hartwell giving me creepy stares and Shannon Darko flashing her tits to the camera. Although, Layaamani (who I have to admit was a sweet girl) and I had some very interesting conversations, but that was all done thanks to Tinychat’s private messaging feature.

    Also, notice how people that should have been banned a long time ago get to stay on that site. The obsessive Lady Gaga fans (HausOfHerpes, bustos92) are the biggest examples of this. Even people like Shannon “Miss Flash My Tits To The Camera” Darko get to stay. I for the life of me could never figure out how she ended up on what is supposed to be a “conspiracy theory” website. Users like her (kids that just like to sit around and talk about movies and memes) are more out of place on there if anything. This makes the site even more fishy.

    To sum it up more easily:
    Information givers = banned
    fangirls/meme kids = not banned

    • Thanks you for that post Ayaka, I couldn’t agree more!

      “To sum it up more easily:
      Information givers = banned
      fangirls/meme kids = not banned”

      That’s a very accurate summary of how the forum actually operates. In regards to the rampant sex/pornographic content on VC– I reported some pornographic images in a couple of posts before, but my reports were simply closed and when I sent a message to the admins inquiring about it, I was ignored. I’m not surprised that some foolish MTV-following kids were flashing their bare chests in the chatroom either, nevertheless, I find it disgusting.

      • I’m glad you’re here, mysticseeker. It’s a shame you got banned, though because I should have PMed you my e-mail and we could have talked about this in more detail with Tweeter trying to discredit me. Trust me, there’s more where that came from.

      • I think the Rihanna Fingerbanging thread is living proof of the mindset of site.

        http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5569&hilit=rihanna+fingerbanging

        What does this have to do with ANYTHING?

        IgnotumArcanus’s opinion on that thread is just pure genius:

        “Fuck the fingerlings, why would you write a damn thread about Rihanna fingerbanging!?”

        I miss that guy, it’s a shame he left. I wonder why?

        Also, I swear there are about over 30-50 threads on that site that are about sex and center on the users bragging about their sex lives, not counting the ones Social and Off Topic section.

        I DON’T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR FUCKING SEX LIFE, PEOPLE! IF I WANTED TO DO THAT I WOULD HAVE WENT ELSEWHERE!

        Do you know any good message boards you could recommend that specialize in the subject matter of the elite, without all the celebrity worship and sex life bragging? It’s getting pathetic.

      • Ayaka, how in any way, shape, or form am I trying to discredit you? I have no qualms against you. I actually helped ensure that AdamMadison was permanently banned from the site for his actions against you (As well as others), but mainly you because I sympathized. I extended my heart out to you out of love concerning your issues as well… I’ve got no problem with you.

      • And Ayaka, and all you who are complaining about sex-related topics, that shit only is prevalent in Social and Off Topic, and maybe Music, where all the little girls and people who don’t seem to give to shits on learning go.

        If you guys actually stepped out from there, got more into General, News, Theories, Religion, and Spirituality, you would see the levels of maturity and substantial content go up and there’s plenty of good discussion to be had. Those all are, of course, the most important aspects of the site forums there…

      • But Tweet, there is a lot of sex related threads in the general section. One of the most popular threads on there recently was “What Do You Think Of Easy Sex”. Kat is always bringing these threads up for some crazy ass reason and normally in the General section. Although, I will admit that the Mind Control section is a huge improvement and I’m thanking VC here on that one.

        Also Tweet, I’m not a Christian. I refuse to go in the Religions section for fear that everyone is going to scream the usual “You’re a Pagan witch that will burn in the embers of Hell.” at me. All I ever see in that section is Christians and Muslims fighting. It’s boring.

        I don’t like fights, okay. I used to hear arguments between my mom and dad just about everyday when I was a teen and normally over the most pointless trival matters like “Who placed the milk jug in the back of the refrigerator?”. It was hell.

        Fuck, I don’t even know what to think anymore these days. I’m having one hell of a time distingushing what’s the truth and who is lying. Every site that specializes in the subject of the elite and their agenda is always yelling “disinfo” at each other (This site considers VC disnfo. VC considers this site disinfo. You get the idea.). Because I don’t know who to believe, I just go into every site I come across and read every book I get my hands on.

        Reading everything and questioning everything, that’s what I do.

      • You should be careful mentioning medication. You never know who will abuse this kind of information against you to hurt you.

    • None of what you said really gives credence to VC being disinformation… those problems you faced with connection are ones I have gotten before from members. Do not look into this especially over such trivial content. I mean, I can imagine if you were posting something a bit more revealing or deep than what you did (Not saying what you didn’t was, you know what I mean though) then that could raise an eyebrow, but I wouldn’t look into that and jump to conclusions.

      The rest of your comments are simply about some VC users, and I whole heartily agree. There are certain members there who seem purely there to chat and giggle or drool over Gaga, and while I find these things disgusting, esspecialy on such a site, they aint breaking any rules per se. If one is constantly trolling then you are to report them and we will deal with it, we cannot be everywhere at once.

      Your summary is grossly exaggerated as well. The biggest ”information givers” all remain on that site, if they haven’t left to their own accord.

      • Tweet,

        Like the janitor two hours too late, the regurgitated vodka has already permeated the air.

        You are not in your comfort zone. And while you have every right to defend your boy (as you should if that’s where your heart is) , DO NOT come on here and pander to the viewing public by invalidating serious questions that YOU yourself asked. I will not allow it.

        You are talking to reasonable, mostly intelligent, seekers of knowledge who are skilled in the art of communication.

        It is a poor defense strategy to call a character witness on stand and disregard all of the useful information in order to recall which socks they where wearing on the night of the murder. .. there are so many concerns here and only a few have regarded the trolls on the subforum. Do not play with us.

        So here let me help:

        dis·in·for·ma·tion/disˌinfərˈmāSHən/
        Noun:
        False information that is intended to mislead,

        1. It is safe to say that the articles on the sight are extremely well researched and thus, contributes to its popularity. The main site promotes people to “check out the boards”, seemingly so they too can contribute.

        question:
        If the filter is only to keep out spam, offensive language, and words that are “drugs” why are so many users attesting all over the internet that the filter kick out other references to sites. Perhaps even included and referenced in his works. Some even state that they have posted helpful links only to have their comments REMOVED. Why is vigilant removing info from other sites that contribute to seeking knowledge that he promotes ie. “educate yourself”?

        Is it disifo to claim non censorship and then censor information on a knowledge seeking sight?

        2. The site, with the help of the trusty mods, profess that threads intended to penetrate the man behind the curtain is unnecessary. We can simply email the administration and someone, or he, will answer our question. Yet , this is untrue. Many people have testified that answers to questions have gone ignored.

        Is it a lie to claim that it is not “needed” to probe the teacher? That he is “there for us” when experiences proves he is not? What are your thoughts?

        3. There was once a rather fiery poster, who was banned time and time again for offensive and inflammatory language. He was always brought back even after several public warning from vigilant (my particular favorite was when he called the n-ers and the white tr*ash crack addicts- he was allowed to rant for 4-5 more pages). Yet , all over the internet it is attested that he bans reasonable contributors to the site at a moments notice subjectively for asking simple questions.

        Is it disinfo to claim transparency regarding forum decorum for banning but it is subjective? Wouldn’t it be more accurate to state in the “rules of the board” : ” If i do not like what you are saying , you may be banned” ? (or in my case, like what you are saying on ANOTHER site)

        4. You are a liar/disinfo agent as you claimed to the public that I was not banned , yet knew I was. If you are not a liar, why are you so out of the loop? And how can someone get banned for not abiding by forum rules while NOT on the forum?

        5. the ‘ol “it is his site and he is doing us a service” is not completely accurate. He provides a service, we provide counts and posts that convert as dollars in advertising the pocket. There are no freebies. Many of the banned individuals (like myself) are still getting comments on their threads!

        Is it ethically / morally sound to ban individuals at the moments notice and not even allow them to delete their accounts? Tricking the viewing public as if the writers are still contributing members? Could it not at least say “banned” below the avatar and not simply “off line”. We have not just went out to lunch.

        *In summation, the disinfo shills/sad sheeple are very tricky or lobotomized. They pander like politicians and gulp from the cup of generalizations. Let us see if this well informed professor of our ignorance can answer these very detailed questions. Shall we?

      • Banning members is trivial, I guess?
        What an amazing idea

      • No answer to this well articulated post by FP yet Tweeterfist?

        Where art thou Tweeter?

        Busy cleaning up the racism, pornography, shots at the disadvantaged, drug promotion and other satanic messages on your facebook page are ye?

    • “Even people like Shannon “Miss Flash My Tits To The Camera” Darko get to stay. I for the life of me could never figure out how she ended up on what is supposed to be a “conspiracy theory” website. Users like her (kids that just like to sit around and talk about movies and memes) are more out of place on there if anything.”

      Ayaka its funny because you are a new member to this site,back on the old forums, I strongly contributed to the site. All of my posts besides Social were always conducted in a smart and helpful manner. Then the site shut down and i was all upset, oh poor me! So damn sad. Then I kinda realized it’s just the internet. I think you need a reality check.

      Also, it’s my body. I can do as i please with it.

      Well, i’m done with you ayaka. Hopefully you found another board to poison and bitch on, about how you have no life. I’m glad Kat gave you a piece of her mind.

      • Two remarks. First; Ayaka is not a new member but has been around longer than many would suspect. Second; Damn I missed the flashing of tits :-(

      • Well, i’m done with you ayaka. Hopefully you found another board to poison and bitch on, about how you have no life. I’m glad Kat gave you a piece of her mind.

        For someone who has a life, you sure spend a lot of time on VC

      • The above comment I was quoting what Shannon said and then I’m adding this

        For someone who has a life, you sure spend a lot of time on VC

        I do not subscribe to the views above that which are SHannon’s and filled with hate

  46. I forgot to add this before, but this adds even more further evidence that VC is not what it seems:

    Another thing happened when I went into Mitch Joel’s official website and saw that his biography on there mentioned this:

    “He co-launched Distort Entertainment, the only hard music label in Canada to have major label distribution (Universal Music) and whose roster features the platinum-plus, Juno Award and MuchMusic Video Award-winning acts, Alexisonfire and City And Colour.”

    http://www.twistimage.com/about-mitch/

    This made me even more curious and decided to go to Distort Entertainment’s official website. When I arrived there, I was quickly redirected to a video called “Top 10 Celebrity Sex Scandals” on some video site. Can you believe that this site gave my laptop a virus that almost crashed it (I’m very thankful for antivirus software for saving me on that one.) This has risen even more suspicion.

    There’s something wrong here when you see things like that start to happen.

    • Freaky. I’d stay away from their sites, and by them I mean all of these characters involved. Obviously something sinister is up. I’m not sure I’ll even go back to the VC forums anymore.

  47. Chauk, don’t be fooled into censoring information about Tweeterfist. Do the math. He says he hardly knows VC, then he defends him. He’s part of the censorship that goes on there. Someone else asked a question about VC, users are being banned. It’s what happened the first go around. He’s here to do damage control. Look at his facebook profile, he’s a fake Christian. He promotes racism, mocks physical and mentally handicapped people, promotes drugs, promiscuity and pornography. He’s part of the problem. Don’t censor information about him, or you are unknowingly part of the problem itself.

  48. Tweeterfist is not to be trusted anyway. See the link in my name for why. On his facebook page he openly and blatantly promotes racism, pornography, making and poking fun of mentally handicapped and serious illness, pedophilia, and more. He’ll say that he put those garbage pics up when he was a Layvay Satanist but my suspicions are that the tiger can’t change his stripes. He’s a fake Christian who’s definitely part of the VC clan of roping victims in and then bombarding them with Satanic messages. You’ll notice most of the pictures in Tweeterfists albums are supposed to be funny. By making light of these serious issues, people are desensitized to how despicable and evil they really are. Tweeterfist and his posse are definitely part of the problem.

    • Should have known throwing out my e-mail as a good gesture would just bite me in my ass, just as those forgotten galleries have. Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I’ll delete them now that I remember of their existence. Those are indeed from my past, when I had a different flavour of taste and wasn’t brought to the light.

      I find it sad you grab at this though considering my main picture is a Biblical quote, and I have more recent ones that are Christian related as well. All my notes are around Christian related topics, for the most part too, so faarrrrrtttt there goes all that.

      • There goes all what?

        Do you really take us all for fools? You’re here taking the fall for your boy Vig while admitting that you don’t know him? You sorry sorry fall guy, lap dog, shill!!

        This is some sort of flimsy deflection for you posing as a Christian while being a ravenous wolf in sheep’s clothing.

        “Hey Yall just ignore the porn, dugs, racism and all that other debauched stuff…I’m really a Christian, oh and yeah this is what Christ thinks of you….”

        BUSTED!

        Hows your “recreational” drug use going, because that’s obviously not un biblical according to your version of Christianity, right?

  49. FOR ALL WHO ARE CONCERNED.

    I have brought these thoughts towards VC himself and he has created a thread in order to discuss all this personally on the Social and Off Topic section of the boards. All of you are free to view the discussion, as well as join if you have any questions or concerns to add, though I request that you keep it civil and don’t resort to pure slandering and finger pointing. That’s not a real discussion.

    • My cease and desist notice (Posted below) Does not agree. Oh and please mention to dear VC that a cease and desist notice is not arguable in a court of law in either Canada or Pakistan

      • Lolwut? You pissed him off that bad lol? Superb work in trolling. More sloppy and persistent than anything but now I am sure you can live the rest of your life complete, with a nice little house under the bridge. Maybe bring the Red Hot Chili Peppers along. Invite me over sometime, we’ll laugh and be hateful towards homosexuals together and have a jolly old time.

      • See you’d have banned me for that. Guess it’s ok for you to troll

  50. CONCERNING IO (Mysticshadow) and Mysticseeker,

    By joining the forums, and immediately posting something like that, I am sure the mod team thought you were just another alt of certain people who have been doing that as of late, or possibilities of certain trolls/spammers that have been banned recently. The fact your two names are so similar doesn’t help with this either.

    I hope you understand that jumping on a site as so can be misleading to the mod team. Normally users don’t just come up in the site like that.

    I will unban both accounts and you will be free to post. You will also be free to voice your concerns in the thread VC has made concerning the allegations towards him being disinformation.

    Apologies on behalf of the mod team. We get a lot of bullshit and drama around these forums. Lots of little kids saddly, but they stick to their parts and I and the big boys stick to ours lol…

    • Actually it is best you both simply make new accounts as the reasons towards your banning are justified with the TOS. Mod decisions are to be discussed privately and the display with which you pursued this (From what it looks like in the logs) show you had no contempt for this.

      I would HOPE Hart let you guys know what you were doing wrong here so you guys actually had a clue, but let me know if he didn’t, and let me know if your IP is banned.

      If you guys are looking for sincere discussion then you will go there for it. If all you were doing is trying to test the waters however, don’t waste my time of me trying to do yáll a favour.

      • I will not log on. I believe I am still banned. But even if not I’m sure that the comment would be deleted. But as you attributed those two things to simply “name confusion” perhaps you can answer how I was banned for commenting about the site on ANOTHER site. You can not claim to any behavior on the boards as again, i have never been warned.

      • I was around on the forums for months ,(since around March), before I finally decided to post “something like that.” I did not immediately join and start posting my feelings of dismay over the forums. The moderators should have done a thorough investigation rather than just automatically assume that a poster is someone or something else and then immediately jump on the ban-happy wagon. As for similar user names, there are a few users with “mystic” in their names and similar thinking people may end up with similar user names…

        I did not violate anything in my permanent banning at all, I didn’t think I violated anything in my 24hr ban either and I wasn’t told I was stepping out of line.(I also still have a copy of exactly what I stated as well in that post, and I’ve also seen other posters share similar sentiments yet oddly enough, their posts weren’t considered violations of the TOS –so I don’t know how the moderators arrive at their decision regarding who or who not to ban for a “violation.” I also wasn’t warned ONCE in either incident. Also, when I questioned the bans via the admin contact, I’ve received no response from any of you. I did however received a response from VC after a couple of attempts, but his response was only a few of words that did not even address the situation. I’ve responded back very politely and respectfully, but received disinterested replies consisting of a few words –his character is questionable if you ask me.

        It’s interesting that VC agreed to start a post addressing the allegations against him –You’d think that he would’ve considered that before sanctioning the locking and deleting of posts and the permanent banning of anyone who dares ask those questions.

        While I appreciate your attempted effort in unbanning my account, I don’t know how I’d feel about posting on that forum–I’m not exactly welcomed there with warm-embracing open arms. I’d have to feel extremely compelled to post on there again. I find it quite offensive that you’d think I’d go on there to “test the waters” –that’s not who I am. I don’t know why I’d want to continue to be a part of this…

      • *Correction: I registered on June 23, 2011. I was not a frequent poster as I’m more of a quiet lurker who doesn’t post unless compelled to. Regardless, I was a contributor to the forum and not a “troll” who one day decided to register for the sole purpose of posting a disruptive message.

  51. This is absurd, every thread you guys post here has this Toby characters name in it, yet like Montag pointed out he’s nowhere to be seen in the member list.

    I was banned a few months ago for no real reason that I could discern after posting a few threads about my views of Christianity. First a troll appeared and started taking all of it out of context and baited me into a flame war which I tried to diffuse. Then Tweeterfist and his gang started accusing me of Gnosticism, which seems to be their only tact to silence anyone who dares pose an alternative view.

    I was later banned with the reason “you aren’t fooling anyone”, and later in the same thread Tweeterfist, Daciple and one known as Chainmaker all alluded to me being this “Toby” character?!?

    I don’t even know who “Toby” is but I was accused of being him. It’s almost as if they’ve created this persona, maybe even just to be used as a boogey man to get rid of anyone who is trying to shed some light on what is happening around us. Because I was banned and accused of being this person, and what is currently happening here and on the yoy50 site, I’m starting to believe what users like JJ Virgil and Justin Time and the original Daciple amongst others are saying is true.

    Tweeterfist keeps accusing all these Jones people of being Toby because they claim to be the group that invented him, and then this fascist pretend Christian moderator Tweeterfist has the audacity to talk about evidence?

    You just believe them because of what evidence actually? Just because they said it? HAHA, great evidence!! They could easily be toying with you, or working with you and VC for all anyone know’s.

    Anyone who seems to present a different message from what you believe to be true on the VC website is accused of being this infamous Toby by you and your crew. How is that? What evidence do you have? What evidence do we have that this character ever existed? He’s likely just a boogey man of your own making.

    Tweeterfist, please give your head a shake. You call Chauk our for having flimsy evidence on Vigilant Citizen but are about to take the words of some blog comments who claim to be this invisible Toby guy that caused all this trouble on the Vigilant Citizen’s website?

    Either you’re a shill for Vigilant Citizen and this is just a big smoke screen, or you’re stupid.

    Why?

    Because for one you say there is no evidence to prove that Vigilant isn’t spreading disinformation, when dozens upon dozens of websites are saying he does and give very reasonable accounts of him doing so and suppressing information.

    Then say you have doubts about him, don’t know him but you’re a moderator of his website.

    Do you see the problems with those statements? One, if you don’t know him then you can’t really defend him. Second, if you have doubts about him then you can’t really defend him. Third, you’re a moderator of his site so you obviously have some contact with him. Lastly if you openly admit that you doubt him, but you are defending him you’re as dumb as dumb can be.

    What’s even funnier is that after some dude, probably the same one at yoy50’s site and here identified him, you and this real daciple guy show up to blame some anonymous Toby character that no one knows even exists? hahahahahahahah!!!!!

    Then the only thing that we can all be assured of is that you have some hell bent need to claim anyone who doesn’t agree with you is Toby. Both you and one of the Daciples, real or not, do the same thing, so there is at least enough reason to believe you’re all in cahoots, correct?

    So, you have no evidence on any of those counts but it doesn’t stop you from making those claims, which makes you look like a fool for questioning Chauk on what you call

    “More flimsy reasoning from a soft conspiracy-muddled mind.”

    LOLWUT?! You’re calling him a soft conspiracy-muddled mind, when you go around calling yourself a Conspiracy Analyst?

    Are you hoping to get hired by Merrill Lynch’s conspiracy division as their top analyst? lol

    This is especially funny since you like to throw around the word evidence like a sword.

    In the post at the alient scientist forum (for some reason I can’t hyperlink urls in this site)Tweeterfist announces that the world is only 10,000 years old and that carbon dating has “holes in it”? LOLOLOLOL!!!

    Best part about that is that it is made in a forum called Alien Scientists, because you know they’re certainly better than the fake Science we have now, hahahahaha.

    You seem flimsy in your own reasoning in your own right, but I guess someone who has done as much drugs as your facebook wall and pictures seem to suggest would probably act that way.

    And before you call me Toby again, or anyone else, all I know about you was ascertained by a simple google search on Tweeterfist.

    Shake your head…really hard…and wake up!

    Whoever it is is playing games with you, or you’re one of the people playing games.

    Oh, you also say and claim to be a Christian. When someone google’s your Tweeterfist name they find your youtube page. As I looked through your favorite list and WOW man you have some sick and perverted tastes in music. No wonder you come across so messed up.

    If that wasn’t bad enough, anyone looking through your facebook profile (linked in my name) and the album called

    shit I feel an album for

    will find all kinds of really disgusting and questionable tastes in humor from you making fun of mentally handicapped people, to making overt racist remarks, to promoting a very negative view of Christianity, to pornography and homosexual overtones as well as making some very questionable comments on serious illness as if it is funny that some people suffer from diseases such as Aids.

    I’m sure you’ll take all that down now that the cat is out of the bag, but at least I’ve seen it for my own eyes and know you for the fake, disinformation fool and shill that you are yourself.

    Here’s a really wise saying that you should think hard about

    Silence is foolish if we are wise, but wise if we are foolish. –Charles Caleb Colton

    You should just shut up while you’re ahead because anyone going through those links will figure out what sort of Christian you are, and that you have no business trying to preach to anyone else you massive joke!

    The mistakes of the fool are known to the world, but not to himself. The mistakes of the wise man are known to himself, but not to the world.
    –Charles Caleb Colton

    The last question I leave you with is, do you know the mistake you are making by supporting that man, or men, or are you ignorant of it?

    • Ooh you got me good all over, def put some effort into that one. Sad I won’t make that par with my response, because your whole argument here is a balloon of hot air.

      1) If Toby was created to be used to silence those who don’t share my views, there would be a hell of a lot more people thrown out right there. You aint a special unique snowflake, whoever you were. Wild Bill maybe.

      2) I base the supposed Toby team as authentic because in their posts they said things that only the higher circle, so to speak, of Truth Files (The site Toby, myself, and a few others created) would know. There is evidence towards him being true, whereas this article here is a joke, to be frank. Let’s see.

      – Supposed GIN logo that isn’t there anymore
      – Charges 10 bucks for his collected work
      – History of people complaining their posts were deleted, though of no specific nature to be seen connected with this

      WELL, that’s a strong case right there. Guess it’s okay to title my article and conclude that VC is indeed controlled opposition. /facepalm

      3) One, I don’t know him, but that doesn’t mean I won’t call out bogus disinformation slandering and faulty logic when I see it.

      Second, I have reserved doubts about him, doesn’t mean I just go off this and accept him as disinfo. Is this how your brain really works? ”IRAN MAKE NUCLEAR ENERGY, SO IRAN IS BAD, SO ISLAM IS BAD, SO WE NUKE THEM.” That’s how you sound.

      Third, I was chosen as a moderator because I was a long time and decent poster. Again, ”YOU WORK AT FED RESERVE? YOU EVIL ZIONIST SCUM. KILL.”

      4) Yeah, I like dubstep and heavy European rave and underground rap and all assortment of filthy music that your cliche Christian wouldn’t like. Your point? Such weak ass points.

      5) Forgot about that gallery, as I said. Don’t find that shit funny anymore, not the really crude stuff. Again, plenty of Christian related stuff of more recent date there that can show you who I am today. Bzzz another one gone.

      You have shown that you will bend evidence to fit the means of truth you wish. Such a horrible attribute to a truther, you should be ashamed. Carries off into other aspects of your life, I am sure.

      Have fun wankin to my pics bra, God bless.

      • Tweeterfist “Ooh you got me good all over, def put some effort into that one. Sad I won’t make that par with my response, because your whole argument here is a balloon of hot air.”

        Effort into what Logan? What?

        I just googled Tweeterfist and learned a lot about you, like that you consider yourself a CONSPIRACY ANALYST

        That your facebook page has racist pictures,

        promotes drugs,

        Problem is that maybe your reasoning has holes in it because your brain has holes in it from all the drugs you’ve done. Maybe that’s why you’re so easily led by others and take on all that false praise and are such a lap dog?

        porn and other degenerate things like making fun of handicapped individuals?

        That your youtube page promotes satanic music?

        But you’re a good kid right? Just a little misled. You can do all that bad stuff because you’re saved by the blood of Christ which allows you to do all that negative stuff while preaching to others.

        You created a site? LOL, but are a moderator on Vigilant Citizen. Sure, what else have you got to tell us?

        Tweeterfist “3) One, I don’t know him, but that doesn’t mean I won’t call out bogus disinformation slandering and faulty logic when I see”

        You just don’t get it do you, you idiot? You’re slandering people all over the place on a whim, even on here. It’s clear as day for anyone else watching. You’re doing this without a shred of evidence, but you come here protecting Vigilant Citizen when dozens of people have reason to believe he has no good motives. You even say yourself you don’t trust his motives, but are partying at his site because you’re a bid bad and and important moderator? I’m sure you feel a big responsibility there. I mean, it’s not like you actually need to go out and make a real impact in the real world. Just keep talking to the same dozen or so personalities on that site and pretend you’re an important Christian savior, right?

        Tweeterfist “4) Yeah, I like dubstep and heavy European rave and underground rap and all assortment of filthy music that your cliche Christian wouldn’t like. Your point?”

        Do you forget these things that your Bible commands you to do

        – you shall not swear
        – you shall not bear false witness
        – you shall not speak evil
        – you shall bear no grudge
        – you shall not fornicate
        – you shall no take part in drunkeness

        You swear. You bear false witness. You bear grudges. You fornicate. You take part in recreational drugs and drunkeness. Yet you preach to others to save them?

        How funny is that?

        My point?

        1 Corinthians 6:9-10 warns us, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

        That you are a fake and false Christian.

        But then here is your idea of Christianity:

        You’re warned to not take part in abominable things, but you do. You do drugs. You have sex out of wedlock per your own admission. You listen to Satanic music. Yet you parade around as a righteous Christian boy. You are a hypocrite. Everyone can see it.

        Tweeterfist “Forgot about that gallery”

        Yea, I’m sure you’d like nothing more than for people to forget about it since you’ve run off and deleted all those pictures now that you’ve been unraveled for everyone to see what a lying despicable hypocrite you are.

        But I saved them, just for you :)

        Am I Toby too now? I was banned for being a Toby because I didn’t share your view of the gospels. You and your crew made some pretty snarky and negative remarks about me, and I wasn’t even that character.

        which makes me laugh when you say this “You have shown that you will bend evidence to fit the means of truth you wish.”

        I bend evidence? You don’t even have any when you make your accusations you lying twit!

        You sure love evidence {shakes my head}

      • Here’s Logan’s idea of evidence:

        “the world is only 10,000 years old and carbon dating has holes in it”

        ROTFL

      • “Third, I was chosen as a moderator [at VC] because I was a long time and decent poster. Again, ”YOU WORK AT FED RESERVE? YOU EVIL ZIONIST SCUM. KILL.”

        But

        “2) I base the supposed Toby team as authentic because in their posts they said things that only the higher circle, so to speak, of Truth Files (The site Toby, myself, and a few others created) would know.”

        So you’re saying you believe the Jones clan on here because you had the insider information they said you knew about. Interesting admission of guilt you stupid fool.

        I guess they are telling the truth then aren’t they and you are obviously a shill for Vigilant and know about his connections with the other Satanist groups supported by Henrik and the whole story as it unfolded is true and you’re all just here to do further damage control.

        Wow, you are stupid. You just let it all out with that one FOOOOL!

  52. Someone’s made this comment on the VC site.

    “And if people are really reading Toby’s blogs and taking them for what it is that’s on them.”

    Looks like the predictable has happened and apparently Chaukeedaar and Yoy50 are now the infamous “Toby” too. Now just that allegation raises red flags to me that anyone telling the truth is going to be accused of being Toby.

    Oh and look how Tweeter just lets the whole GIN thing slide, when it’s well known that GIN is indeed a scam. The ads that were on VC’s site were not a random google appearance through their adsense system but only an affiliate that had to already be part of the get up.

    • Hey “Not Your Ordinary Citizen”,

      “Looks like the predictable has happened and apparently Chaukeedaar and Yoy50 are now the infamous “Toby” too.”

      Now at last THAT is funny… This Toby is a genious inventing so different writing styles, even reproducing a bad english from a german background like in my case ;-)

      Enough said, let me finish with stating that I’m quite overwhelmed by what kind of energies VC attracted during the years that now partly swapped to my comments section. And I’m happy that there are some good energies too, you people know who I mean :-)

      Peace, Chaukee

      • KTG says this website is Toby’s so I guess you are Toby too like was already predicted Chauk. Sorry to let you know but you’re one of us too now, LOL.

        KTG:

        “Disclaimer #2: If Toby get’s this board shut down THAT IS HIS ASS! >:(

        kissthegyrl wrote:
        on 13/12/2011 at 02:00 | Reply kisstheygrl
        This is really funny, I have been a poster and reader since VC started his blogs and message board. BE ADVISED VC IS NOT A DISINFO AGENT, BEWARE: TOBY IS BACK TO WORK! Good luck with this one Tweet, if nothing else this gives me great LOLZ! Wonder how long it’s going to take for me to be casted as one of the minions. *shrugz*.

        And this was the reply double :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

        Stupid Ass Toby wrote:
        on 13/12/2011 at 12:54 | Reply Gyro
        LOL, here come the alt’s and sycophants:

        viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8521

        Kissthegyrl writes: “Yes Vig you are a dis info agent, you told me I was the only one for you then you married the other chic….I am sad now. j/k j/k
        Seriously, I don’t think in any way you’re a dis info agent, being here from the beginning I haven’t witnessed you pushing anything off on anyone.”

        Vigilant responds: “@KTG – you should have showed me your pics before i got married! That was a game changer :0

        But yeah, KTG and Wormwood Blazes, my main goal is not to push a specific idea or conclusion. It is to incite awareness and get people thinking about what surrounds them.”

        Can’t wait for more shills to show up, lol.

        KTG:
        “So apparently I can’t engage in my since of humor with Vig w/o being quoted on the douche bag site. I find it quite amusing that only this part of my reply to Vig was posted on the pathetic site. :laugh: But they posted Vig’s complete response to me.

        Vig, I’m sorry dear you know KTG has a since of humor and I’m sure that’s why you replied with your own quirky comment. I guess I shouldn’t play with you like this anymore, that’s all you need is for the little tyrant Toby’douche to start ANOTHER blog saying, “Oh oh oh see? Vig cyber cheats on his wife, I TOLD YOU HE CAN’T BE TRUSTED!” Since this disinfo shit is a bunch of batshit insane voices in Toby’s head. :rolleyes:”

        We’re all Toby’s

        YAY!

    • Look it’s happening here too, read kissthegyrl’s comments below. Looks like all the cheerleaders are coming over now, hahahahah.

      • Looks like you are Toby too

        KTG
        “So apparently I can’t engage in my since of humor with Vig w/o being quoted on the douche bag site. I find it quite amusing that only this part of my reply to Vig was posted on the pathetic site. :laugh: But they posted Vig’s complete response to me.

        Vig, I’m sorry dear you know KTG has a since of humor and I’m sure that’s why you replied with your own quirky comment. I guess I shouldn’t play with you like this anymore, that’s all you need is for the little tyrant Toby’douche to start ANOTHER blog saying, “Oh oh oh see? Vig cyber cheats on his wife, I TOLD YOU HE CAN’T BE TRUSTED!” Since this disinfo shit is a bunch of batshit insane voices in Toby’s head.”

    • I passed the GIN thing off because you have no proof it wasn’t an ad. I’ve never seen it there. Why would I think otherwise?

      • I saw it with my own eyes, the link had an affiliate number on it. Of course, you’re evidence is Vigilant Citizen’s word. Good evidence there, idiot!

  53. lol. unban my account and i will ask.

    If not, as he is there to answer questions. please stop drooling over him and talking about “christians” – you are distracting from the meaning of the post that you YOURSELF supposedly advocated for

    • I wanna see what Hexa says about you being banned. Wanna hear the other side of the story. I’ll advocate for what I think is the truth, but dunno if that’ll make a difference either way. I swear to Yahweh above on this though.

      • You don’t have to for my benefit. If you would though. you can copy and paste my questions. I feel as though they are very detailed. Or you can answer yourself. While I don’t agree with …personal attacks. Sticking to the topic at hand – ive yet to get an answer as to why some sites are blocked by the filter and the implications that poses.

      • You like swearing to Yahweh and God don’t you. But your Bible says that this is tempting the Lord your God, doesn’t it?

        You lose again.

      • It’s been more than a day now, Hexa’s logged in many times, it just didn’t happen, did it?

  54. This is really funny, I have been a poster and reader since VC started his blogs and message board. BE ADVISED VC IS NOT A DISINFO AGENT, BEWARE: TOBY IS BACK TO WORK! Good luck with this one Tweet, if nothing else this gives me great LOLZ! Wonder how long it’s going to take for me to be casted as one of the minions. *shrugz*

    • LOL, here come the alt’s and sycophants:

      http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8521&sid=cb8d5ad522f835d8f080eb373bf37de8

      Kissthegyrl writes: “Yes Vig you are a dis info agent, you told me I was the only one for you then you married the other chic….I am sad now. :cry: j/k j/k
      Seriously, I don’t think in any way you’re a dis info agent, being here from the beginning I haven’t witnessed you pushing anything off on anyone.”

      Vigilant responds: “@KTG – you should have showed me your pics before i got married! That was a game changer :0

      But yeah, KTG and Wormwood Blazes, my main goal is not to push a specific idea or conclusion. It is to incite awareness and get people thinking about what surrounds them.”

      Can’t wait for more shills to show up, lol.

    • You bro, I’m an alt of a shill of a Monarch programmed Canadian boy. Rotten kids ruined my fun.

      ”See, now he’s joking about it to desensitize us of this and pass our theories off as jokes.”

      Ya bro, the Jesuits trained me and I got buddies in the Malta and Opus Dei that’ll fuck your shit son.

      ”SEE? AGAIN!”

      Head asplode, gg

      • No just another victim of meth, coke, pot amongst other cocktails designed to numb your head, put holes in your consciousness and bypass your critical thinking faculties so you believe everything you are told like a good little lap dog while at the same time believing that you are in control of your mind. You’re the perfect slave and no Monarch programming needed.

    • I’m not surprised that the majority of responses in that thread would be from sycophants, since most of us who actually raised the questions have been banned and silenced. In addition to that, numerous people on there are oblivious to the details of the accusations against him anyway. My direct communications with him have not been very personable; I’ve already caught a glimpse of the type of person he may be –those posting in that thread have not, and they’ve obviously had much more pleasant experiences with the forum than those who have been banned. On top of it all, they also have an idealized image of him as a good, heroic, person who is doing something great for each of them and now with that thread, he seeks to reinforce that image in their minds.

      • By the way, I am copy pasting what I’ve got from Vigilant. For someone who says that you can come and talk facts on his thread, he sure makes sure we don’t reply

        CEASE and DESIST any contact with vigilantcitizen.com by e-mail, through message boards or through comments. Any further contact after this CEASE and DESIST notice will be reported for harassment.

    • Yep, anyone asking any hard questions is getting banned or comments deleted over there. But Kissthegyrl always seems to show up to defend him anytime someone has asked hard questions in the past and now. Nah, VC and his crew wouldn’t create a bunch of accounts to give the illusion of being one big happy family over there,lol.

    • Why don’t any of you post? Like I said there…

      Really? That’s it? Guests, come out from the bushes, eat your heart out. Or is seeking the truth personally less fun than throwing random allegations out and connecting flimsy dots?

      I don’t say these things because I have some boner for VC either. I say these things because it’s people like this, who are mesmerized by appealing stories from random sources and jump to conclusions without some real evidence, that give truthers a bad name.

      I have a vendetta against this type of truther because they simply are shepherded out from the main flock to become a sheep in an underground one, and yet I am sure they considers themselves above the mainstream population in intelligence and perception regardless, as if just making that step over to know what really happened in 9/11 makes you just shiinnnning.

      This is the mindset that let’s disinformation flourish to begin with. I’ll stfu now though.

      • Unban me and I will post questions with facts about VC . You underestimate my technical skills. I have knowledge on VC no one does which is why I got mailed that notice

      • Tweeterfist: “Why don’t any of you post? Like I said there.”

        Because most people aren’t stupid like you. People know what happens when you post there. You first get silenced, then you get harassed and stalked by mysterious no body’s and it’s all blamed on outsiders.

        Here free speech is allowed and your crew can’t silence us.

      • Yeah Tweet,

        Go read your Bible or something.

        Also, the banning of Adam C. Madison was one of the best days of my life. I used to want to get the urge to reach my hand in the computer screen and strangle the living hell out of the bastard.

        As for Chainmaker, Bible thumpers like him piss me off. I’ve had many problems with those people throughout my life.

        I get great joy out of the misery of people I hate and Adam C. Madison was one of them.

        Now HE was a tride and true troll. Not femalepharoe, not TS-san, not MysticShadow, not mysticseeker, and most certainly not Aeon Flux.

        I noticed that VC uses the word “troll” very liberally. Trust me, I’ve seen trolls from being a longtime online lurker on the internet in general. They most certainly were nothing like the ones who were just banned.

  55. Is just me or is it possible that the obsessive Lady Gaga fans in the forums could be people that are paid and hired by the record companies (such as Interscope, which in turn is part of Universal Music Group) to go and cover up any negative publicity concerning their latest roster of “artist”.

    I get the feeling that UMG probably pays these people very well.

    Just a random thought going around in my head right now.

      • I don’t get it.

        Why are these obsessed fangirls/fanboys on that site.

        Oh and here’s a real gem. This time I get attacked by the “Little Monsters” for saying that Gaga is not a positive role model for children to emulate:

        http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=7430

        I, Ayaka said:

        Oh, great.

        When will parents like the one in the photo ever realize that Lady Gaga is not someone for children to look up to and try to emulate?

        Come to think of it, I don’t think any of these celebrites are child-friendly.

        Yes, I’m well aware that the celebrity culture is just about everywhere (Because it’s so in-your-face, you’re always going to see it everytime you go outside and so are your children.) and is pretty much impossible to completely shield your children from it. But seriously, parents should at least take their time to talk to their children and explain to them that people like Gaga, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, and the likes are not postive role models. If possible, it would be best to try to limit a child’s intake of celebrites at home.

        I highly doubt they even care, though and are going to keep falling in the same trap.

        Then here comes the elite/illuminati/shadow government/whatever you want to call it denier HausOfHerpies, again, trying to make me look like a paranoid fool:

        Ignorant.

        Lady Gaga is highly eccentric and does some questionable things but as I have said before on this forum she preaches respect and tolerance to her fans and anyone listening and devotes her time and money to various charities including the one she has just started, The Born This Way Foundation which promotes self-esteem and confidence building and helps teens with career options and vocational training.

        Heaven forbid they start looking up to an independent, educated, intelligent singer-songwriter and pianist, They might get ambitious.

        Me again, taking my usual cynical jabs at people I don’t agree with:

        Looks like somebody is still stuck and caught up in the celebrity culture.

        I’m not sure whenever you know it or not, but postitve role models can also include people in everyday life other than celebrites.

        Celebrites have way too much negativity in them (That means that they have more negative personality traits than positive ones.) and I find them very hard to associate with. They are different from us. Why should children have to look up to someone that is from a different class than them, when they have ordinary people just like them who actually do things. Celebrites in my opinion are some of the most useless people on the planet. What do they actually contribute that is beneficial? Not much. What, faking emotions on film, modeling an outfit, or singing a stupid song. DOES THAT EVEN MATTER?!

        It’s meaningless, worthless, illogical, and has no point.

        Also, a good majorty of celebrites are self-centered assholes who think that their shit doesn’t stink. Would you want a child to end up like that?

        You can have Gaga and her Baphomet. I don’t want her.

        Okay, now here comes some support by the smart users like Let’s Glow, and another user that I don’t see very often (Adixion) trying to back up my point.

        Adixion:

        And don’t forget their obscene amount of luxury, for doing…….

        Let’s Glow questioning HausOfHerpies:

        are you serious?? why the obsession with a consumer product you will never know ….. or do you know her?

        Hartwell then chimes in and guess who he supports:

        So many people getting emotional over one little picture… I don’t see anything wrong with the picture. The parent is not selling her child off, like some people *cough*. It doesn’t matter if you love or hate Lady Gaga, there is nothing wrong with that picture.

        What the fuck, Hartwell are you that dense?

        Okay, how did this guy get to be moderator again?

        For someone who is supposed to be a moderator, you think he would be much smarter and have freed himself from the celebrity obsession that was programmed into his mind starting with the day he emerged from the womb.

        No matter how hard you try to drill the obvious in someone’s thick head, some people will never understand what you’re trying to tell them.

  56. Hi everyone, I too am at the vigilant citizen’s website and have doubted for some time the message that the site puts out because of some weird behavior of the owner and how some comments keep getting deleted in the blog postings and critics are silence quickly on the site itself. I just don’t want to say who I am yet because I’m afraid I’ll be deleted or banned too and I have some friends there that I’d like to keep in contact with.

    The above is definitely Henrik’s work, true. You can tell because the voice over is the same as some of his youtube productions, and disturbing death metal video’s.

    Now he Henrik, admits to working with Satanists on Death Metal projects, uses the Masonic Lion symbol on his website, and puts it all out in the open claiming allegiance to God?!? Wow, messed up!

    The question is which God? The God of this planet obviously.

    Let’s look at the time line of events though.

    – Just In Time (JiT) comes in here with information about these guys like 2 months ago.
    – He shows the connection of the VC owners/s with this Henrik character, who after some observation certainly is plausible. This Henrik guy, through his music certainly carries a distinct satanic energy, confirmed by his persona as expressed through his websites. I have enough reason just observing this character to question his motives.
    – Then Ibsen shows up, which is later revealed to be a pseudo name of Henrik to basically just flame JiT
    – The Jones’ or whatever then show up and are giving some pretty detailed and what seems to be real insider information between these parties, admitting they were part of whatever social experiment that so many thought was happening there in the past. All of this has a bit of ring of truth to it, as distorted as it sounds.
    – The ones identified as the owners of VC have a company called Distort media. Henrik has the same sort of distorted message in his music. They both produce for metal bands.

    and now

    Henrik comes out with information that he has associated with metal bands that are Satanic.

    It sounds to me like there was some sort of internal breakup or problem within he site and some of that information is being dispersed here and there is some heavy damage control. Why else would Henrik come out and openly admit to his satanic music connections if he didn’t get the message that whomever was involved with this internal VC project was going to spill the beans eventually? Alas, complete damage control and spin doctoring in effect.

    Henrik says,
    “When I say I mixed and mastered albums for Norwegian satanic death/black metal bands, I know what kind of images that conjures up. The reality of it is that these were not produced in some seedy dungeon with pentagrams painted on the walls, nor in glitzy studios monitored by Hollywood handlers with cigars in their mouths. These were two guys I got to know purely out of a common interest in music and probably an interest in each other’s cultures. We became friends and I mixed their album out of my own apartment. Elite stuff right there.”

    Just-In-Time earlier points out

    “So he says in his intro that he’s into design and death metal and has liaised with another production company in Canada. Sounds just like what Justin Time was saying about the founders of Vigilant Citizen and their Distort Media company. Look at his other website illomennation which reads Illumination and his scanime.com website with the infamous masonic lion just like Justin Time identified.”

    So looks like JIt was onto something and there’s probably some truth to the Jones’ story, though I think that admitting they were involved in a study like this makes them suspect as well. Then there’s the whole issue with how many people have shown up here recently, myself included, and are trying to take this discussion into different directions. To those that are curious, a lot of users at the VC website are being made aware of this address and reading this discussion. I am one of them and have come out of lurk mode to express my concerns. I’ve seen what happens there when someone doesn’t tow the usual party line. Real trolls are allowed to troll without interuption and those who ask real hard questions are silenced, removed and their threads deleted.

    So scanime.com huh?
    Scanime? Like Scan I Me? Scan Me? Scam Me? all out in the open aye folks?

    Yep damage control. Henrik has something like 25 posts and most of them are in these damage control threads just guiding the mindless users thinking. How obvious.

    • @Gyro, thank you for that interesting breakdown. There definitely is something shady going on behind the scenes at VC, and even if by chance there wasn’t anything truly sinister behind it, the behaviour of VC and his moderators, are enough to turn any sensible person away from that joke of a forum.

    • Nah, the Lion isn’t a Biblical symbol either, right?

      The rest of fabrication there is well written. You’ve got disinformation locked down for the ignorant of mind

      ”So scanime.com huh?
      Scanime? Like Scan I Me? Scan Me? Scam Me? all out in the open aye folks?”

      XDDDDD

      Oh so funny, but sad that some here will actually consider that brilliant.

      • Seriously idiot?

        It’s right in front of your eyes but you’ve been so blinded by them whispering in your ears, obviously. You are a total mind controlled puppet and you didn’t even need anything crazy to turn your mind over to them. Just a stupid high school kid who did too many drugs, has holes in his consciousness and believes any wild conspiracy told to him.

        Ooogey Boogey Man, I must be big bad Toby too, ROTFL!!

        “C.S. Lewis on the other hand, who wrote the books of Narnia, another fantasy world, used a Lion God (also a symbol for the “God” of the Illuminati – Satan/Lucifer). This Lion God he called Aslan, compared to the Brotherhood’s “Asalam” (see below). ”

        http://www.illuminati-news.com/tolkien-occult.htm

        The Lion is an occult symbol Tweeterfist. Get your head on straight!

        Do you need more examples?

      • Seriously idiot?

        It’s right in front of your eyes but you’ve been so blinded by them whispering in your ears, obviously. You are a total mind controlled puppet and you didn’t even need anything crazy to turn your mind over to them. Just a stupid high school kid who did too many drugs, has holes in his consciousness and believes any wild conspiracy told to him.

        Ooogey Boogey Man, I must be big bad Toby too, ROTFL!!

        “C.S. Lewis on the other hand, who wrote the books of Narnia, another fantasy world, used a Lion God (also a symbol for the “God” of the Illuminati – Satan/Lucifer). This Lion God he called Aslan, compared to the Brotherhood’s “Asalam” (see below). ”

        http://www.illuminati-news.com/tolkien-occult.htm

        The Lion is an occult symbol Tweeterfist. Get your head on straight!

        Do you need more examples?

  57. Oh and here’s a comment by previous moderator Russian Nika, the one who posted naked pics of herself now known as Kataazyna

    What’s with all the drama on the forum guys? Honestly, who cares? It’s just a message board on the internet, not the UN. Everyone calm down and let’s just post some funny pictures or something.

    Isn’t that the definition of pretty much half of the VC brigade?

    • I saw that one.

      I’m not sure whether you know it or not, but those “funny” (or shall I say annoying) meme pictures are another reason why the site feel like I just stumbled into a deserted wasteland.

      Also, I had no idea that Kat and Russian Nika are the same person. So that explains why there has been a sudden rise in the sex threads in the General section ever since she has joined here. Let’s see nude photos, then constantly talking about sex. Maybe she’s desperate?

      • Someone just told me outside the forums that the one known as Loki and Russian Nika were exchanging nude photo’s of each other and that led to demotions on the old boards and part of the reason it was shut down too. lol, the plot thickens.

      • I was just told about this outside the forums but apparently part of the reason why the old boards went down was because RussianNika and the user now known as Loki who was formerly known as Grey Sanity had some issues. He was apparently stalking her cell and email and through other instant messaging sources sending nude pics of himself. She also sent him nude pics and both threatened to send them around unless they agreed to keep it hush hush. Problem is that RussianNika started a competing board to vigilant citizen called the outer circle and showed some of the members there pictures of Loki’s dick, lol, and it got around after one of the early members called Belligerent and Russian Nika also had some sort of bust up over money lent and it being used for drugs. RN sent Belligerent money for somethign and Belligerent wasted it on pot which made RN mad. At least that’s what’s being said right now.

        LOL Plot thickens, and none of the people there can be trusted. I doubt I’ll go back now.

      • Let’s not forget that horny Katarzyna/Russian Nika was always the one who was starting conversations about sex/pornography all the time in Tinychat. Woman used to piss me off and I had to leave whenever she bought that shit up.

        It’s pretty obivious that she was desperate for some head and wanted to get laid. But seriously, what the hell was she doing on a site like VC?

  58. Truthseer,

    I don’t feel like crowding up the comment section anymore with my comments.

    So is it okay if we please continue this via e-mail?

    Please e-mail me first and I will reply to you. ^_^

  59. @Tweeter fist, I echo Io and others feelings, in that we were banned WITHOUT REASON. This isn’t necessarily about VC being dis-info, but the fact that he and you, the moderators are all completely and utterly blind and obviously working along to an agenda and don’t like people stepping outside of it. NEVER has a warning being given. You have shown yourself to be naive, ignorant or going along with bannings, if you suspect somebody is a troll you warn them or question them surely.Being banned for simply speaking your mind will never win you fans.

    VC not wanting people discussing it also shows his character as some childish wizard of Oz type Wizard who is unable or unwilling to respond to any questions or comments, as are you the moderators. People were forced to speak openly about your lack moderating and questionable tactics because you fail to respond to any messages. You might as-well have a banner saying “DO NOT STRAY AWAY FROM THE HERD! OR YOU WILL BE REMOVED”

    You also mistake us as “popping up out of nowhere” when we have been on the site for months, I had around 140 posts. I only started getting annoyed after the content of the site being childish and frankly absurd as Ayaka said, the mindless spam threads about some sexual thing or nonsense that has nothing to do with anything. Furthermore the MODERATORS get involved there MORE than in any actual meaningful subject and the push it along. The posters who actually created interesting threads and discussions have mostly all been banned or left because they’ve most likely had enough of the circus or become aware of your tactics.

    To invite me back using a different name is frankly insulting. No forum is bigger than its members. Unfortunately its quite clear the sort of members VC wants in its forums. mindless mold-able vulnerable young people, and others who genuinely fell for the trap.

    You want us to be “ooh wow! VC is answering questions” its gone past that, what he says doesn’t mean jack he will say what he will say.. As others said all the people who had decent questions to ask have been banned or left.

    Other lets say “preferential” members are also aloud to say things, when others aren’t what is a banning comments for one its perfectly acceptable for another it seems.. maybe because with them they will guide the thread a-long with the moderators agenda.

    You repeatedly ask for proof about things, read the damn forums like you’re supposed to and you can’t not see it.

    Also learn to read names, and not come to some ridiculous conclusion that anybody who has a similar name is either the same person or trolls.

    MysticShadow.

    • “Also learn to read names, and not come to some ridiculous conclusion that anybody who has a similar name is either the same person or trolls.

      MysticShadow.”

      Are you sure you’re not Toby too, like the rest of us? :p

      • They give the name Toby to whoever opposes their regime in order to demonize said individual.

        Think within our own country there will always be the American sheep who defend their country even though they are truly ignorant as to what is exactly going on.

        That1Kid in response to Mitch Joel’s statement. (VC Dummy Account):

        http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8521

        “I love this thread

        Your replies shows us that you’re just like us, normal but unique to all.”

        This is exactly how our government misleads the American sheeple into faith in government.

        “Oh Obama shook my hand hurr durr he’s a regular guy!”

        Please you retard.. the elite are always one step ahead of you they have studied humans and their psychology for centuries.

      • Also, Toby posted here above, dammit you guys are blind. Any vet will tell you Toby existed, you guys don’t even know what you’re talking about and you’re being trolled by Truthseer lol. Just sad.

      • LOL WUT?!?!

        You are so stupid Tweeterfist. It’s already been pointed out that there is no evidence that those Jones are who you say they are, yet you believe it because they say so?!?!

        That really works against you because you come across as a paranoid idiot that believes anything his over imaginative mind can come up with. Some of us are sitting here reading this having a good laugh at all the drama and nothing more. Some of us don’t trust VC for our own reasons and don’t need anyone else to tell us why.

        The Jones group, or whatever they call themselves, could be full of it like so many users already have pointed out, including Chaukeedaar himself and yet you just believe their story?

        Maybe you want to help keep it alive because your VC clan are the ones who planted them in the first place, which is more believable given your guys track record or doing this sort of thing.

        Who am I, quick? Am I your boogey man too?

        Sheesh, big head shake over here. You’re such a tool!

      • All I see is you believing what some people claim to be here, like you do for most everything you do.

        You have tool written on your forehead Tweeterfist

    • Gone over why VC doesn’t allow discussion against him there anymore. Helped cause a huge war in the forums. Used to be free game, ask any veteran member. There are reasons for these things, you are closed into investigating the matter further and more properly and just wanna see what you see.

      I’ve talked to Io, I’ll discuss you guys coming back. Wasn’t aware you were longer termed members or weren’t warned. Take it or leave it. Honestly don’t care anymore.

      Obviously you don’t go to Religions either, where almost anything is free game. None of the most intelligent people there are being silenced. Most intelligent on there centre around Religion and Spirituality and they’re all there still, the ones who did leave leaving months and months ago anyways.

      Blah blah blah though right?

      • Tweeterfist “Gone over why VC doesn’t allow discussion against him there anymore.”

        Yeah we know, you’re his little patsy messenger boy. Hope you get a good pat on the head for your efforts sucker. Is that it? All they have to do is heap false praise on you and you give them your all. You’re dealing with elite tacticians who know human psychology very well and how to motivate you. You don’t know this but you come across as a perfect lap dog to the outside observer.

        Tweeterfist “Obviously you don’t go to Religions either, where almost anything is free game. None of the most intelligent people there are being silenced. Most intelligent on there centre around Religion and Spirituality and they’re all there still, the ones who did leave leaving months and months ago anyways.”

        Uhm no, anytime someone talks about the gospels in a way that you and your crew don’t agree with you label them a Gnostic Satanist and then a Toby and then ban them, and then you guys all high five each other like little kids.

        It’s pathetic.

        Just look at how Artful Revealer is already being set up for this downfall.

        http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3396&start=60

        “I specifically remember reading from you yourself artful revealer (toby) that Gnostic thought is derived from Plato”

        7th post down from the top by ladygagafan12 who is another mind numb forum slave that has done this thing for you guys on numerous other occasions, myself included.

        Artful Revealer has already been identified as a Gnostic Luciferian. Your minions have already entered the thread and are calling him Toby, and soon he’ll be eliminated like anyone else who doesn’t tow your party line.

        You guys call anyone you want to silence a Toby, probably even creating puppets yourselves to have a handy boogey man title to lay on anyone you need to ban for whatever reason.

      • Tweeterfist “Gone over why VC doesn’t allow discussion against him there anymore.”

        Yeah we know, you’re his little patsy messenger boy. Hope you get a good pat on the head for your efforts sucker. Is that it? All they have to do is heap false praise on you and you give them your all. You’re dealing with elite tacticians who know human psychology very well and how to motivate you. You don’t know this but you come across as a perfect lap dog to the outside observer.

        Tweeterfist “Obviously you don’t go to Religions either, where almost anything is free game. None of the most intelligent people there are being silenced. Most intelligent on there centre around Religion and Spirituality and they’re all there still, the ones who did leave leaving months and months ago anyways.”

        Uhm no, anytime someone talks about the gospels in a way that you and your crew don’t agree with you label them a Gnostic Satanist and then a Toby and then ban them, and then you guys all high five each other like little kids.

        It’s pathetic.

        Just look at how Artful Revealer is already being set up for this downfall.

        http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3396&start=60

        “I specifically remember reading from you yourself artful revealer (toby) that Gnostic thought is derived from Plato”

        7th post down from the top by ladygagafan12 who is another mind numb forum slave that has done this thing for you guys on numerous other occasions, myself included.

        Artful Revealer has already been identified as a Gnostic Luciferian. Your minions have already entered the thread and are calling him Toby, and soon he’ll be eliminated like anyone else who doesn’t tow your party line.

        You guys call anyone you want to silence a Toby, probably even creating puppets yourselves to have a handy boogey man title to lay on anyone you need to ban for whatever reason.

  60. “That’s a very accurate summary of how the forum actually operates. In regards to the rampant sex/pornographic content on VC– I reported some pornographic images in a couple of posts before, but my reports were simply closed”
    (mysticseeker ^)

    Awkward moment when sees mysticshadow reported “pornographic images”, not mysticseeker. ;)

  61. It isn’t too far removed to state that the forums have always played favorites.
    To think that a whole forum in essence was wiped over the drama of a girl.
    Thousands upon thousands of posts just destroyed and the site was just closed down showing us that the one they call Vigilant Citizen aka Mitch Joel doesn’t give a damn about his online community. The new forums are a joke and a frail corpse compared to it once was. Many posters have seen him for what he is a music-industry/elite pawn that want’s to keep tabs on those “in the know.” Vigilant Citizen was never something I considered a primary source of information and on the new boards even less so. It has quickly dissolved into a high school popularity contests where the moderators are within the social cliques that the forum prescribes. Essentially just like high school it’s the less mentally gifted posters who are members of the social scene that are rewarded and patted on the back and the ones who are actually there to learn and educate themselves are persecuted (and banned). The way the forum is upheld heavily mirrors the control systems exercised by the elite. By killing the voice of the people through banning (virtual deaths) and censorship.

    As long as you are within the social circle or are willing to metaphorically “ride Mitch Joel’s dick” (i.e Kissthegyrl, Sarge) or befriend his moderation you are in the clear.

    Posters like United4ever was in essence banned for initially being attacked by a egotistical “self proclaimed Muslim” troll and retaliating to him.

    He preaches Islam on the site yet his role outside the religious forums says otherwise.

    Mitch Joel has no interest in his readers just maintaining the illusion that he is in fact not a media pawn.

    If you are thinking about joining the Vigilant Citizen Message Boards think again unless you want your ideas under the tabs of the elite. The forum in all honesty is just a harvest farm for the elite. Deeper truths are not even conversed about threads are all the same usual strings of garbage and there really are more suitable conspiracy forums out there.

    • I thought Mitch was the internet marketing genius and Kanfi the one from Lebanon where VC said he was from is the one who is more active in the site? You know something more?

    • The big collapse of the forums had a lot more to do with than over some girl. There were death threats sent to people and possible charges were going to be laid, alongside a whole host of other issues regarding the very same whispers of conspiracy as is going on here (I would know, I was right in there whispering too)

      But blah blah blah why am I even saying this shit? Not like anyone here will take my word, because, yknow, once you start helping moderate a site that automatically means you’re on a payroll. Shit I wish.

      • No one is taking your word because you are a bilnd follower and puppet of VC. It’s all been laid out above.

        You don’t know him, but defend him
        You didn’t know GIN network affiliate ads, indicating he was a member, were running on his site and he promptly removed them when it was indicated that they were, but defend him
        You’re here claiming to have suspicions about him, but are defending him and then without a shred of proof are blaming all of this on boogey men. I can assure you I am real and not your boogey man, but you don’t care for evidence at all, you just repeat what you are told like a good little puppet boy that you are.

  62. You are all wasting too much time on this stuff… this is what they are trying to do! You guys fight about something that really isnt important and gets you off tracks of the truth! YES VC isnt what its seems to be, spread that and move on!

      • Now this has to be the funniest comment by Layaamani. For anyone who doesn’t know Layaamani is one of those teenagers on the site who generally isn’t trollish or attacking, but spends most of her time in the social forums playing name games and other mind numbing social threads. She’s been promoted as a moderator because?

        Draw your own conclusions.

        No offense Layaamani, I’ve never had a problem with you on the forums personally, just pointing out what sort of behavior is acceptable over there, the kind without question and full of distraction more specifically.

      • Blindly siding with your country until the end..

        After a while you begin to wonder as to whether certain individuals are there for their clique or there for information regardless of who VC is.

      • And Hexa is a Satanic witch. I proved that but got banned

      • @SilentObserver, it seems to me that more people are there for the “cliques” and for socializing like the buffoons on Jersey Shore, rather than there to actually discuss and/or exchange truth-seeking information and ideas with like-minded people.

      • I see the indoctrination and attention-deflectors are here

    • I swear the world “troll” is given to anyone on the site that doesn’t agree with the teenagers on there.

      I was called that word a couple of times for trying to get these celebrity-worshiping kids to wake up.

  63. CONCERNING IO,

    Yes, if what you say is true then I agree it should have all been handled better. I wasn’t aware of any of this. I’ll talk to Hart about it, you should have been informed of what you were doing wrong for sure.

    If you don’t want to post then whatever, I still wish to pursue this because of the principle of it.

    And my apologies, I didn’t condemn you as to testing the waters, I simply stated that if that’s the case then let me know. I have absolutely no idea who you are and whether or not you’re like that so I feel obligated to put it out there of course.

    • @Tweeterfist,

      By all means, feel free to pursue it. “Hartwell” is very ban-happy and has extremely poor judgement; I have no idea why he was promoted to a moderator position in the first place. He has demonstrated no redeeming qualities that would give one a better understanding as to why anyone in their right-mind would place him in a position of authority…not to mention that the majority of his posts are also in the social/off-topic section of the forum…

      • Well I’ll look into it more man. I truly am just an old poster who’s gained a lot from the boards so it means something to me and I wanna make it a good place for everyone. I try to be as lenient as possible, except in the cases of persisting trolls or flamers or any of that of course.

        Your account indeed has no warnings, which should have been issued, even if you persisted in asking about VC or questioning mod leadership. Banning should not be the first thing in mind come such a thing at all.

        I’ll get back to you and I really am sorry for the inconvenience this has caused. I don’t agree with this at all.

  64. CONCERNING FP,

    Hexa will post a thorough response to your earlier comment to me tonight. He also has said he’d be willing to meet you in any public chat or place of your choice.

    If this matters that much to you then you guys will try to sort it out. It matters to me as well because I liked you as a poster so I hope things get straightened out.

  65. I do see that you are more lenient than the others, and are more sincerely concerned with the forum and moderation, and I have noticed that while on the forums as well. Just so you know, I was not persistent in questioning the mods or leadership –I made only one post about the moderation.

      • @Tweeterfist,

        I made the “WHO IS?” thread questioning VC (NOT the moderators), and it got locked (according to the reason given by Harwell), because Mysticshadow made a comment saying that posts tend to get deleted when you question things about the forum…I then thought it only fair that I could CONTINUE the discussion about VC since my initial thread was locked due to ONE individual’s supposed violation, hence “WHO IS? (CONTINUED).” I then got permanently banned for wanting to continue the discussion about VC….

  66. @Tweeterfist, This was exactly our point before any of this came to light, the moderation. The fact people are just been banned without reason or warning and nobody listening. The “contact admin” form never gets a response, and if you even say anything about moderators your thread is closed and you are banned. It is mostly Hartwell though. I am certain my profile will have 0 warnings too, despite the fact that I have been banned twice.

    Nobody is looking into the practices of the moderators. Just letting them ban anybody who they don’t agree with.

    MysticShadow.

    • Your account also indeed has no warnings. Yeah this is a problem. The warnings are put in there for good reason and should be used… I’ll talk to them about this and share your thoughts.

      There indeed needs to be more communication on these boards. That’s why PMs were also installed and I had asked for them back a while ago for that purpose, so we could personally talk to you guys and clear up things one on one.

      • Concerning PM’s:

        “Secrecy is the freedom tyrants dream of. ”
        Bill Moyers

        The truth should be held in the light open and not hidden from any individual, Mr(s) Tweeterfist.

        If you represent what claims to be a community and a truly open, and free society then the moderation’s first step is to act as such.

        For example why is username: Smashbros permanently banned?

        Creatures of darkness will be labelled as such; pending their intimacy with the light.

  67. In fact, the post that got me my initial 24hr ban is below:

    “To the mods of this forum:

    Since personal messages are apparently not allowed on this site, I have no choice but to send my message openly. My intention is not to be argumentative, but the truth must be stated. I have a question for all the moderators on this forum: Do you not take your role of enforcing the rules/guidelines on this forum seriously? Many of you seem to “moderate” by your own personal views rather than the actual rules and guidelines for this forum. It was my understanding that moderators were meant to enforce while themselves being of exemplary character, however, in my opinion, that is certainly not the case on here. Vary rarely are threads closed or “moderated” –people are allowed to post racist, misogynistic, and vulgar things on numerous occasions and go unchallenged. In fact, I don’t recall a moderator actually ever telling anybody to NOT do something or to not go down the route they are going yet we all know there has been far too many times when they SHOULD have. This forum could of been a good place to exchange views and alternative knowledge in an informative adult way which is especially necessary due to the amount of younger impressionable people who visit this site seeking information from like-minded, mature people. This forum however, (to put it bluntly), is just a circus of absurdity and stupidity, with the odd or occasional thread having some substance in its content. One major reason why this forum is in the state it is in is because of the lack of moderation. I’ve seen the posting rules and guidelines violated numerous times, and in some cases mods have done so themselves. I hope something can be done to prevent the situation from getting worse; however, I fear that it is already too late. Again, I don’t mean to be argumentative or troublesome, I just want to point out what I find to be one of the main issues behind the failure and breakdown of this forum. If moderators did their jobs, then perhaps this forum could someday improve. ”

    I went to check on that post after 2 minutes and it was deleted and I was banned immediately. If that post is out of line and violates the rules of the forum then that is fair enough and I can accept that because the form itself is ludicrous. However, I was not aware that I was doing something wrong and felt that the situation could have been handled in a much better way.

  68. VC’s groupies/alts are so annoying

    lyke that kiss the boy dude or w/e why is he on this forum does he brung the informashun i dun get him

    half these weirdos should be on chatroullette or omegle or something

  69. VC’s groupies/alts are so annoying

    lyke that kiss the boy dude or w/e why is he on this forum does he brung the informashun i dun get him

    half these weirdos should be on chatroullette or omegle or something

  70. QWERTYUIOPASDFGHJKL is a disinfo agent. Which is why despite 3 mods being online, he is not banned.
    WE ARE NOT STUPID

    • Also to add, his trolling antics are being allowed, his posts, unlike anyone else’s troll accounts are not deleted but responded to by mods.

      • Certainly seems that way, making all of us with relevant issues with VC seem like pathetic fools who can’t type a single word.

      • Thank you for realising that too. You know, let me give you an example. FP made an alt and wrote that essay. She was banned and the post deleted in seconds. Contrast with this troll and it’s obvious it’s controlled opposition,
        KTG might even be behind it

      • I don’t know truthseer, I wouldn’t jump to conclusions –it looks more like it is a former user who also become suspicious of VC. Howerver, some statements they made were kind of odd…and the moderators allowing it to go on raises questions. Perhaps they know who the former user is and were once clique buddies.

    • Yeah without a doubt it seems like it was a moderation attempt to trivialize and discredit everything we are saying here.

      • Gyro above also seems like an attempt to make us believe in a Toby. I believe they even said that on the forums like we’re all Toby

  71. on 13/12/2011 at 20:08 truthseer
    Thank you for realising that too. You know, let me give you an example. FP made an alt and wrote that essay. She was banned and the post deleted in seconds. Contrast with this troll and it’s obvious it’s controlled opposition,
    KTG might even be behind it

    Couldn’t be more wrong truthlier….i honestly didn’t even know FP was banned until reading it here. Furthermore I liked FP so why would I have ANYTHING to do with her ban? Proof please? I’m very curious about this.

    • Don’t act stupid. It’s clear that I meant that the troll is you, not that you banned FP

  72. OMG! Are you breaindead? WTF are you talking about then? Yes, I tend to troll at times but I don’t seek to offend anyone, I mostly troll S&OT section…. NOT BREAKING ANY RULES THERE GENIUS! Other than that I give my opinions on other threads with a little added humor, but it’s on topic unless it’s a thread that was created for dearailing. You’re just butthurt that you were banned, I had no issues with you (I’m sure you knew/know that) so you’re falsely calling me out why now?

    • I don’t remember ever conversing with you. You’re just an inactive member who’s jumping to VC for help, like the MK victim

    • No KTG,

      I believe YOU are the one who is braindead.

      Look, I know you have been kind to me so far, but I just had to break out of my shell and admit what has been bothering me for a while already.

      What real information have you contributed to the site.

      Nothing.

      A typical KTG post:

      “I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with p.o.r.n. I actually learned some very good techniques watching it. I think ameture is much better though, all of the air brushing and makeing eveyone up to be glossy and perfect can alter your attractions in some ways.. Ameture you’re more engaged in the act of it rather how perfectly blemishless the girl/guys asses are. Just saying.

      I LOVE making movies though….Nothing like being a p.o.r.n. star for my man. Now, he can watch that all day… Hell, I’ll even watch it with’em.”

      This sure doesn’t sound like a post made by an “awakened” person on a website that is supposed to be about “finding the truth” now, does it?

      Also, KTG sounds like KGB to me.

      There’s something to think about.

      • @Ayaka, lol very true! This is one of the things I found disturbing about the forum as well.

  73. P.S. KTG wasn’t behind shit….. I got the Toby info same as you did… AFTER THE FACT….nonetheless I never really got involved in the mod politics since I used to be one so put that in your pipe and smoke it k?

    • You’re speaking in the third person now. Deliberately being dumb, that’s the third person now after Daciple and Tweet

      Same Toby Info you did, I wasn’t here when or if a Toby did something. All the info I got was from Russian Nika/CIA or Hexa (The satanic witch)

      • Can you comment on this then

        “Gyro

        I was just told about this outside the forums but apparently part of the reason why the old boards went down was because RussianNika and the user now known as Loki who was formerly known as Grey Sanity had some issues. He was apparently stalking her cell and email and through other instant messaging sources sending nude pics of himself. She also sent him nude pics and both threatened to send them around unless they agreed to keep it hush hush. Problem is that RussianNika started a competing board to vigilant citizen called the outer circle and showed some of the members there pictures of Loki’s dick, lol, and it got around after one of the early members called Belligerent and Russian Nika also had some sort of bust up over money lent and it being used for drugs. RN sent Belligerent money for somethign and Belligerent wasted it on pot which made RN mad. At least that’s what’s being said right now.”

      • no one told you anything, your making all this up and you were active in the Toby discussions months ago too so stop pretending that your all innocent and didn’t know about him way back when.

  74. I don’t remember ever conversing with you. You’re just an inactive member who’s jumping to VC for help, like the MK victim.

    Never said we were besties smart ass I just said I had no issues you with and you know it. See how you’re twisting shit? Disinfo at it’s greatest.

    MK….. No dear, just as you’re saying Vig is a disinfo agent I’m saying he’s not. Door swings both ways remember?

  75. What did you eat stupid for breakfast or something? Anyway, going back and forth with you is giving me a headache, cause I can’t argue with idiocy. I swear it’s like watching water drip. Point blank, you got banned because of YOUR fucked up behavior. GET OVER IT!

    • And since when did I claim my ban was unfair? Oh wait, I wasn’t given the opportunity to protest despite the fact I did nothing. Oh and Cease and desist all contact with truthseer. This is your first and last warning or I will file a case in the legal courts

      Oh wait, I’m not VC

      So go back to your social and go make love to your VC

    • To quote truthseer: “So go back to your social and go make love to your VC”

      Me at KTG:

      Yeah, you promiscuous whore.

      It’s people like YOU who have killed the site along with the celeb worshipers, Lady Gaga fans, and what io called “MTV following teenagers”.

      Just like Katarzyna you’re just another one of those horny bitches looking for some head.

      • and you are a disgusting human being. You do realize we live in the same city, no? Well now you do. You are a moody little bitch who needs to be taught a lesson. Disgusting pieces of trash like you always do. Calling others whores? Obviously you’re a prudish child who has no friends besides her computer. Dumb cunt.

      • Is that a threat, SHannon? How dare you even respond like that? You do realise you can be reported for harassment, Miss Darko
        And if you don’t want to be called a whore, don’t do whore-like things

        Shannon, get lost.
        I’ll say what you said to me, “No one wants you here (ON THIS BLOG). Why don’t you just go top yourself?”

      • Shannon Darko,

        Let me tell you a little something, dearie.

        People have to fall into a certain criteria for me. For example, I have this bleeding hatred for Cheers because she likes Ann Coulter. Cheers is usually a nice person, but because of that, I don’t approve of her and you know what happens.

        Off to the hate list she goes.

        I’ll admit, I like to mock people that are of a lower intellect than me when it comes to the subject of the elite.

        If they don’t believe that this stuff even exist (such as the HausOfHerpies), I instantly mock them and call them “Kool-Aid drinking programmed sheeple”.

        That’s why I’m so symapathetic towards truthseer, MysticShadow, mysticseeker, Aeon Flux, and femalepharoe.

        Those five were banned for no reason. To me, they were framed for a crime they didn’t commit and yet the braindead zombies (such as that mindless bitch Shannon Darko) can get away with bloody murder. That’s why I was screeching at KTG.

        Too me VC user fall into two catagories:

        the “awakened” (intellectuals):

        The awakened on VC consisted of truthseer, MysticShadow, mysticseeker, Aeon Flux, and femalepharoe, along with Let’s Glow, Chemicalchrist, IgnotumArcanus, Truthfairy, daisybuttercup, dull_flame, and thesameANA.

        The “awakened” people I hold up in high respect and revere heavliy.

        “programmed” (averages):

        These are the brainwashed celebrity worshiping teenagers.

        You fall into the last catagory.

        Now fuck off and go play with your dildo or something.

      • Proof of just how stupid, intolerant, and closed minded Katarzyna (or shall I say Russian Nika) and Shannon Darko are when it comes to other cultures.

        They actually think America is the center of the universe:

        http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8348

        Katarzyna: “Too much British”

        Shannon Darko at Katarzyna: “I swear they’re aliens, i can’t understand shit…”

        There’s no doubt in my mind that the Brits think the same thing, but they’re sure as hell are not complaining.

    • And the disinfo agent leaves after dropping smoke bombs, trying to mislead a few down the dark path of the Vigilant Cult

      Thou mightest think you have won this fight
      With your clever deception, not might
      Go back to VC and gloat, Miss KTGee
      I hope I don again ever have to see
      You or your face again coz thou art
      Nothing more than a little bart

  76. I’m not down for public slander , but I am down for honesty.

    While some may ultimately feel…upset by personal issues regarding the boards. I just want to clarify why this is relevant, and a few other caveats… I was not banned for creating an alt account. To date , I do not know why I was banned, and it can only be concluded that it was for commenting on another blog – a blog in which a forum moderator posted as a thread for the VC forum to laugh at.

    Are the implications that “we can go here and comment but you can not” ? – just wanted to say that in case any one was confused by Truth seers comments. Also, I have no beef with Hexa or a moderator, I simply honestly detailed his attempts at attack – I do not care for him much.

    The members who are coming in to defend the forum; are only defending VC – the person(s). No ONE is addressing the major issues that has come about in this conversation – censorship of information, baseless banning for questions, lies, and unaccountability in regards to communication?

    Can anyone address those testimonies and evidence?

    This is not simply about mods, and for me though tweet is…held up on me “working it out with Hexa” this is not the issue. I actually, like many others, have a fairly full life. The camaraderie of the boards were definitely a plus – but we were there in an attempt to DEPROGRAM ourselves. THAT’S why we came to the boards in the first place.

    Please note that most of the people who have visited and quoted are ones that would like to stay in social forums playing this or that and “who would you do”? As a member with over 1000 posts and 20,000 views on threads, I was there to share my ideas and get feedback in an effort to DEPROGRAM myself and help others. As I’ve stated before , if you are not going to be …”vigilant” against the powers that be..WHY are you on the site? (hmmm?)

    The question is if the site has an ulterior agenda.

    If you do not believe in the NWO, Illuminati, mystery schools, etc – and would instead like to use the boards for a chat room – you do not have any credibility to even conclude what disinfo or misinfo is for you are not interested in receiving any information at all!

    And KTG, as flattered as I am, please save it. I need no one professing about how much they liked me if they are not the least bit concerned that my contributions have been cast to the sea unexpectedly and without merit.

    And, heres a question: How did anyone know that I, or Smashbrothers (whom I really liked and am shocked) was banned??? You see the deceit and confusion that happens with the clicks?

    If anyone can look at my avatar and see “off line” – like I’m out for happy hour: How do people know I was banned without even the most active moderator knowing???? Food for thought….

  77. Check it out everyone. Above in one of Tweeterfists frantic responses he let’s it slip:

    “2) I base the supposed Toby team as authentic because in their posts they said things that only the higher circle, so to speak, of Truth Files (The site Toby, myself, and a few others created) would know.”

    So you’re saying you believe the Jones clan on here because you had the insider information they said you knew about?

    Interesting admission of guilt you stupid fool.

    I guess they are telling the truth then aren’t they and you are obviously a shill for Vigilant and know about his connections with the other Satanist groups supported by Henrik and the whole story as it unfolded is true and you’re all just here to do further damage control.

    Wow, you are stupid. You just let it all out with that one FOOOOL!

  78. Well said FemalePharoe.

    “No ONE is addressing the major issues that has come about in this conversation – censorship of information, baseless banning for questions, lies, and unaccountability in regards to communication?”

    Exactly.

    People in VC forum now are giving nothing but praise to the mods and VC having not yet found themselves banned for absolutely nothing. Yet they are quick to try and make us out to be some troublesome brood of people bitter that they got banned.

    Like you said people don’t even know we got banned since all it says is “offline”.

    I have sent messages to VC and messages to the mods all of which have being ignored, prior to and after been banned.

    Anybody on the VC forum reading this, don’t be so quick to place us all in some group of troublemakers when you are absolutely blind to whats been happening in the forum for months. You either have to be blind, or be content with morons who’s idea of enlightened is showing your chest in a chat-room and being unable to speak about anything other than sex related threads or showing emotes.

    • “Anybody on the VC forum reading this, don’t be so quick to place us all in some group of troublemakers when you are absolutely blind to whats been happening in the forum for months. ”

      Yes –they seem to be lumping us all into the same category without knowing the details or story behind anything.The majority of them have no idea what has been going on behind the scenes in regards to censorship along with the unwarranted and unethical bannings. Most are just totally aloof to the overall ridiculousness of how the forum is being run.

      • Let me guess, you’re part of the Jones crew too like the rest of us?

        LOL

      • Just in case people miss this, but I was banned about 3 months ago because I wasn’t towing the usual Christian part line. The one that labels anything that is not exactly as they interpret as Satanic and Luciferian. I don’t even believe in most of the Gnostic writings and even openly said I don’t adhere to Gnostic principles, but it didn’t matter. Truth wasn’t important to Tweeterfist, Daciple, Ladygagafan, Chainmaker and the rest of the puppets over there. I was labelled a Gnostic Luciferian, slandered, called a Toby and banned.

        I don’t even know who the fuck this character is, if he was even around in the old boards, but I was a victim of their boogey man and I see others are as well.

        Maybe what the “Jones” clan is dispelling here carries some truth. Maybe there was some sort of inner experiment going on with the Vigilant Citizen owners awareness and it went south and creating this Toby character, or slandering the one who played his role in that experiment was their way of doing damage control.

        I can hardly see any other reason for resetting the boards because of a troll. That’s laughable.

      • I wasn’t banned and I’m completely supporting you guys instead of VC.

        People like femalepharoe, truthseer, Aeon Flux, MysticShadow, mysticseeker (the banned) along with IgnotumArcanus (left), Let’s Glow, Chemicalchrist (LG and CC are the perfect pair when it comes to information about Mind Control) and a couple of others contributed a ton of useful information to the site.

        I’m frustrated because a good majority of the users I talk to the most are gone and being replaced by more and more annoying kids who are so ignorant to reality, it’s ridiculous.

        I’m still staying on the site due to Let’s Glow and Chemicalchrist. If those two get banned, I’m leaving completely.

  79. This is my last post on my blog unless someone comes here and slanders me. Vigilant Citizen was a brilliant place to relax and learn the latest, Informative posts were plentiful. But now, after the departure of so many members, it’s become a popularity contest

    Flix Kandish summed up the mindset beautifully
    “For people who constantly complain about sexualisation in the media, you sure do have dirty minds.”
    The people say one thing and do another, they complain, rightly, about the elite’s police state tactics while defending someone who basically does the same.

    They act nice but in reality are leaden. I won’t take names here but the Muslims are mostly occultists in hiding. I hate to say it being a Muslim myself. But really, all of them want to astral project and think Hell and Heaven are imaginary. I’d say atheists not Muslims

    The Christians were summed up by FP well enough

    There are exceptions here and there but generally it’s the same

    The only informative poster left if you don’t count Christian vs Religions posts is daisybuttercup.

    Good Bye

    • Tweeterfist exemplifies the sort of Christian that exists there

      “Believe in my Christianity or you’re a Gnostic Satanic Luciferian Toby Worshipping MKULTRA hell bent unbiblical Hell Raiser!”

      Yet this is Tweeterfist’s Christianity summed up by one nice tidy picture on his facebook page

  80. Jesus Christ lol, someone’s impersonating me :L
    To make matters easy any posts seeing here form here onwards are not me.

  81. Chaukeedaar,

    With your blessings I’d be happy to write a guest post about the occult connections of the lion to your blog for all to see.

    Let me know because I’m very resourceful and can put it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    Fools like Tweeterfist will have a hard time denying what has already been said here.

      • Oh there’s definite occult connections to the Lion, and when you consider the whole persona of that character and him openly admitting to a fellowship with other satanists, as well as the obvious fact that death metal IS SATANIC TO BEGIN WITH. Who are we kidding. When Chaukeedaar responds, I’ll get an article written, if he wishes to publish it here.

    • Hey NYOC,

      Thanks for your kind offer!

      I honestly would like to avoid the moment where I check your input and must decide that I do not want to post it – its just, I’m very picky and its quite seldom I take over some texts of others. So my suggestion is: Open your own blog at wordpress, its free, its done in a couple of minutes and I support you if you need technical advice. I already did this before for another commenter. For the sake of my bad conscience because of my answer to you I would even create a banner from the source pictures and texts you choose ;-)

      Or you surprise me with such a cool and founded article I HAVE to say yes ;-)

      Hope my answer does not hurt you, I just found that I go better in being honest from the start and then not twist around…

      God bless, Chaukee

      • Ok Chauk, here’s what I suggest. I’ll make it just a comment here since it pertains to what Just in Time said and what Henrik Ibsen accused him of later which Tweeterfist also chimed in on. You can draw your own conclusion but I’ve already read that you understand the masonic and occult connections to the Lion. If you think it’s good enough, I’ll make it into an article. Thanks for the suggestion to create my own wordpress page but I don’t think I’d have enough time to keep it busy,

  82. Lol. Nevver a dull moment I see.

    But , in any regard the site looks good. Congrats.(if your saying this is yours)

    I’ve went through enough of your shananigans to not be offended in the least. You’re like a drunk cousin. I too will go. Thanks for your honesty

    • Lolol.

      Welcome. We have half off on (Guinness, blue moon, Sam Adams) tap and 3 dollar rails.

  83. “Well, the people who made those comments about disinformation aren’t speaking, so what else can be said?” by – freetoday. (VC forum).

    Maybe that’s because everyone has been banned or left already after weeks of trouble.

    Personally speaking I never made accusations and others didnt either, I asked questions and got banned. Questioning both VC and the moderations about deleting threads and bans without reason.

  84. I was replying to those Vig was calling out asking for proof that he was a disinfo agent…that’s why I said speculation and animosity. If you’re not one of them then I wasn’t referring to you.

  85. I was replying to Vig’s question asking the people who are calling him a disinfo agent to point out where. That’s why I replied the way I did, if you weren’t one of them then I wasn’t referring to you.

    • Then why is nobody on VC talking about people who got banned and silenced unnecessarily? quick to make us all sound like trolls who are trying to destroy the forum. Not so quick to defend people who thought the forum was supposed to have some form of freedom of speech. Not a place where you must have silent obedience of VC and the moderators or be silenced and banned.

    • If you really have kids like you say, I feel sorry for them. Go take care of your kids loser instead of taking part in this drama since you’re obviously not one of the people that have been mistreated or slandered but a STUPID RETARD SHILL.

      Can’t wait for you to call me Toby too

  86. It appears that my replies keep landing on top of your’s NYOC…. weird, but yes my reply to you is above Pluto’s.

  87. Aeon you were banned for less then 5 minutes. You’re free to log in, you know Vig unbanned you.

    • Layaa,
      Do you have a fever? Is someone supposed to be appeased that once they calmly brought relevant issues to the table, in a thread that was allowed to stay open , they were ALL of a sudden (falsely) banned as an infamous forum member?

      Are you serious?

      Whoa….you guys are delusional at best.

  88. There are nude pictures of a former moderator of the forum’s penis who was stalking Russian Nika circulating. That part is true.

    • You’re speaking of Loki/GreySanity, right? He has denied ever being romantically linked to RN. Don’t really know what to believe..

  89. Check it out everyone. Above in one of Tweeterfists frantic responses he let’s it slip:

    “2) I base the supposed Toby team as authentic because in their posts they said things that only the higher circle, so to speak, of Truth Files (The site Toby, myself, and a few others created) would know.”

    So you’re saying you believe the Jones clan on here because you had the insider information they said you knew about?

    Interesting admission of guilt you stupid fool.

    I guess they are telling the truth then aren’t they and you are obviously a shill for Vigilant and know about his connections with the other Satanist groups supported by Henrik and the whole story as it unfolded is true and you’re all just here to do further damage control.

    Wow, you are stupid. You just let it all out with that one FOOOOL!

  90. Given that there is no “comment” button for me to us when I try to quote this is the only way I can reply.

    on 13/12/2011 at 22:35 | Reply Not Your Ordinary Citizen
    If you really have kids like you say, I feel sorry for them. Go take care of your kids loser instead of taking part in this drama since you’re obviously not one of the people that have been mistreated or slandered but a STUPID RETARD SHILL.

    Can’t wait for you to call me Toby too

    =========

    Now, given that you’re not important enough to offend me I will not even bother to address your pathetic attempt to get a rise out of me by bringing my children in to this. I will say however that bringing kids in to this is relevant how exactly? In addition sweetie I have no issues with taking care of my kids, in fact when I’m HOME WITH MY KIDS I’m not even on the board lol. So let’s find another stone to throw at me k? Naw, I’m not gonna call ya Toby, I’m just gonna call you…….. yea, not that important for me to even think up an insulting name for ya…. Sorry to disappoint.

    • I’m glad I’m not important enough to offend you while you’ve been spending the better part of the whole day offending anyone who doesn’t tug on Vig’s dick, like Silent Observer noted above.

      Maybe it’s a hard concept for you shills and morons to understand that not everyone who has criticism for Vigilant is your friend Toby, but probably not. You have such a busy life that all you can think about is this character. Your kids will have a great upraising, I’m sure.

  91. I would like to pick up a comment by Thumpfer that is straight to the point:
    “You are all wasting too much time on this stuff… this is what they are trying to do! You guys fight about something that really isnt important and gets you off tracks of the truth! YES VC isnt what its seems to be, spread that and move on!”

    First thing: Why don’t you people who realized that the VC boards are run in a fashist manner group together, create a free forum dedicated to all the topics that are important to us? There are so many brilliant minds I read here, somebody must have the skills to create a decent design, another one comes up with a good branding (like “THE END OF DISINFORMATION – The Conspiracy Forum that is run by real humans”), then you agree on your forum rules and elect a core moderation team. The time has ended where mankind always looks for another leader to whom you can look up, who does the thinking and the decisions (like the VC crew) – either we become cooperative leaders ourselves or the shit continues to go down like it does right now around the world. Just my 2c.

    Second thing: The kids here identifying so desperately with their online identity should really think about getting a week offline, like for reading a real book or have a long walk in nature. “Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now” would be my suggestion for a reading as it might learn you to identify less with your outer life but with your inner space, what you truly are. It personally helped me a lot to detach from some of my status thinking and identification with the things on the outside, opinions included! YOU GUYS ARE NOT YOUR NICKNAMES, nor the texts you are writing online, nor you being better, smarter, more intelligent than another person. You all have the potential to be beautiful beings, just shut that stupid box in front of you down and go to the street out there, somebody might need a smile or a nice word or two. We all want to change the world, we just don’t by spamming my comments section with weepy accusations (so thats the egoistic part of my advice ;-) ). So much for the sermon.

    Plus: I woun’t go through hundreds of these boring comments for approval for many more days, there might come the moment when I close the comments section of this article. Nothing hostile, its just that my time is too precious for me.

    Peace to all of you, Chaukee

    • Chauk, they’ve already identified you as “Toby”, KTG especially. You might as well start signing with your real name, the mystery has been solved, lol.

      On a serious topic, read my comment. If you’d like for me to create a guest blog post on the occult connections of the lion let me know, I’ll be happy to do so.

    • Well said!
      Thank you for bringing it back. As you’ve been so positive and patient ill be sure to check into your site to learn and contribute from time to time.
      :)

      • Hey dear femalepharoe,

        Thank you, your opinion already means a lot to me! Its seldom I come along people who think so precisely and put down the words like with a scalpel! I really wish I could express myself like you do, but hey, this ain’t my first language ;-)

        I’m looking forward to read and learn from YOU!

        Namaste, Chaukee

    • Chaukee you are probably not keeping up with all the comments being made here but above one named Tweeterfist accurately accounted for the last forum uprising in March of 2011 where there was termed a mass exodus because of some users who formed their own board. From that two other boards were formed too. I’m not going to give any more details because then someone might call me Toby and that man was nuts. There were threats made to me and it’s true that another moderator (not Toby, though Toby is a crazed nutter) was stalking me with pictures of his penis. I’ve sent those around to people who can identify this is true so I don’t expect him to be coming around here anytime soon.

  92. This is so ridiculous. I honestly can’t tell who is real in these comments. Whoever is responsible must have quite a lot of time on their hands. Pitiful.

    • Maybe it’s just that the cat is out of the bag now, per the first comment on this blog post above, and there are a whole lot of shills making noise amongst some people who have been done wrong by? Maybe it’s not just one person like you’re being conditioned to believe, you silly twit?

      • Judging by the defensive nature of your comment, I’ve hit a nerve. Oh and nice, typical conspiracy theorist response. This is why no one takes us seriously. You simply can’t win an argument by saying “that’s what you’ve been conditioned to believe”. Is this really where every conversation goes nowadays? “Because you don’t agree with me, your opinion is merely conditioning, good day sir.” Ridiculous. Since you decided to call me a silly twit I can assume that you might be the person making fake comments? Or if you are right about it being multiple people I would assume one would be you. Your name is fitting, ordinary members of society don’t waste their time fabricating comments on a blog. Unless you’ve been conditioned to believe it’s normal? GASP.

      • You may assume it’s defensive or that your “hit a nerve” and ignore that it’s rather obvious that there are a lot of different individuals here, so your comment “whoever is responsible must have a quite a lot of time on their hands” certainly indicates that you lack the ability to be observe reality and are instead a sheeple.

        “ordinary people don’t waste time fabricating comments on a blog”

        What are the fabrications? All I know is that this Toby character is possible a fabrication since I was banned for being him at the VC website 3 months ago and I know for sure I am not him. Then I see the pattern repeating itself on this blog and others, as well as on the site again.

        Open your eyes, not everyone who disagree’s with Vigilant or is not your typical Bible thumping Christian is a “Toby!”

      • Funny enough, I remember that when I first joined the site a couple of people assumed I was Russian Nika.

        I pretty sure by now those morons most certainly know I’m not her.

        She’s way too much of a slut to be me.

      • It’s not letting me reply directly to you.. but yes this is directed at you. It’s rather obvious to me that while there are different people commenting, a large portion of the comments are merely VC users being impersonated. The ratio of actual people to impostors is astonishing to me. I can tell based off of typing style.

        Again, typical conspiracy theorist response. Calling me a sheeple when I don’t agree with you. Cool. I clearly have the capacity to observe which is how I noticed slight discrepancies in the comments. Just because I’m not anti-vig, that doesn’t make me a fucking sheeple.

        As for the fabrications I already explained. Several VC users have even made threads about how they were being impersonated on a blog. So those are clearly fakes.

        I’m not here as a vigilant citizen advocate. I honestly could care less. I’m just saying it’s a little disturbing that someone is wasting their time pretending to be other people on an irrelevant blog.

      • @ Raelyn34

        Are you really going to play that stupid calling me a typical conspiracy theorist when the VC website is designed for the TYPICAL CONSPIRACY THEORIST MINDSET and you are one of it’s regular users?

        If you don’t like being called stupid, don’t act like it.

        I’m not calling you sheeple for not agreeing with me because I’ve said many things on this blog and you’ve not been specifically disagreeing with any one of them. I called you a stupid sheeple because your response was designed to appear to promote the idea that one person is responsible for all of this when that is clearly not the case.

        Say something stupid and being told it’s stupid is just what it is.

    • The transformation of sheeple back into sheeple…

      Who knew it was possible “in the know”?

    • why were you pretending to be aeon here and then below you admit to being him? Hmmmm…..busted again

  93. A traitor has just been spoted:

    “VC just do what you do, people always gonna judge, just keep at what you do”

    GatecrasherOne, I thought you were on our side.

    YOU were the one who helped contribute to the “Who is” thread along with me, and the now banned MysticShadow and mysticseeker, trying to help us figure out who Mitch Joel was.

    Now you turn around and defend VC?

    I swear this “GatecrasherOne” guy is full of double standards.

    He probably took part in that thread to get them two banned intentionally.

    I wouldn’t doubt it if he really did.

    • Yes it’s a sign of the dumbed down society we live in. The operators at the Vigilant Citizen website are laughing all the way to the bank.

    • “Cheers” is also one of VC’s biggest supporters.

      She happens to be a huge follower of Ann Coulter.

      Ann Coulter is the same person that said “Radiation is good for you.” when asked about Fukushima.

      Ann Coulter:

      “At some level–much higher than the minimums set by the U.S. government–radiation is good for you,”

      truthseer, me, amne1984 (Astral Gemini_1984), 4FT3RM4TH, and couple of other users tried to talk some sense into “Cheers”, but she just tried to slander us and make us look stupid when she’s the one who’s a stupid bitch.

      Don’t believe me, here’s proof:

      http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4075&start=20

      Cheers on Ann Coulter:

      “I absolutely adore her.

      Much of what she says is ‘tongue in cheek’-

      Those who dislike her, however, will not present her commentary that way-

      They indignantly insist that she is ‘totally serious’-

      She is the first to admit that much of what she says is to get a rise of out liberals.

      And they never, ever let her down.”

      Would YOU take someone like “Cheers” seriously?

  94. Can anyone here recommend some good forums that are the real deal? Ones without the sex conversations and the celebrity worship?

    VC is starting to bore me to death and I want to move on with my life.

    • Icke Forums

      Godlike Productions

      Abovetopsecret

      All three have alot more quality then the general bullshit being spewed out on VC anyways.

      • Thanks for the links.

        Funny enough VC once said that Above Top Secret was disinfo.

        Have you ever noticed how all of these types of sites always throw the term “disinfo” at each other like boomerangs?

      • They’re competing for the same users, lol.

  95. on 13/12/2011 at 22:56 | Reply Not Your Ordinary Citizen
    I’m glad I’m not important enough to offend you while you’ve been spending the better part of the whole day offending anyone who doesn’t tug on Vig’s dick, like Silent Observer noted above.

    Maybe it’s a hard concept for you shills and morons to understand that not everyone who has criticism for Vigilant is your friend Toby, but probably not. You have such a busy life that all you can think about is this character. Your kids will have a great upraising, I’m sure.

    =============================

    Aww yes, this is the best he can do…. Sorry need bigger stones small potatos.

    • translation; you’re too stupid to come up with something relevant to respond.

  96. Looks like someone hit a nerve with “Gatecrasher” on VC…. He claims that we are the ones causing “internet drama” when we merely point out the major flaws in the leadership on VC, and the possible shady operations behind the forum. HE even participated in the thread questioning VC and told me to “keep looking,” but suddenly his tune has changed. I wonder if he would feel the same if he was banned and treated unfairly as well? Gatecrasher if you are reading this, why not come over to this blog to tell us all how you really feel about us? Or are you too afraid of a response that would knock you down a few pegs? We have a pretty good excuse as to why we will not trotter over to VC (Guess what, we’ve been banned!), what excuse do you have for not coming over here and making your rant directly towards us? You’re the one who appears quite emotionally investesd in your rant against us “crackpots” (which is what you’ve so nicely termed us), so who is really bringing the dramatics here?

    • In response to GatecrasherOne: No this is not a “bait,” but keep in mind that YOU were the one who directed a message at us from the safety of the VC forum. You also chose to paint us all with the same brush by dismissing us as “crackpots,” meanwhile ignoring our legitimate concerns regarding the issues we’ve experienced on the forum –so much for being impartial, huh? Voicing ones displeasure over unfairness and ones suspicions about the forum, is not being “engrossed in internet drama” –it is simply expressing how you feel about a situation.

      “Everyone needs to relax and realize how trivial this is in the grand scheme of things.” -GatecrasherOne

      I’m quite certain that we’re all aware of that on here, so you really don’t need to be so condescending…being aware of that however, doesn’t mean that we cannot make how we feel known, after all, we weren’t given that chance on the forum since we were so quickly silenced….

      • As long as no one within their social clique is banned it’s all good they aren’t really here for information anyways just for their sex threads and as long as Vigilant continues to let them do so he is never capable if being a disinformational media pawn. They shouldn’t call it “Vigilant” Citizens a more befitting name would be the “Dumbed-down Sheeple” Citizens.

        This figure and his forum is a joke as well as a elite think tank operation for returning the sheeple back into the sheeple.

        The one they call vigilant citizen barely scratches the surface of the current state affairs rather his purpose is to keep the name Gaga relevant.

  97. Whelp, can’t remember when I had more fun but it’s time to go home now, you know, take care of my kids….. THAT WAS FOR YOU NYOC :P

    • You have kids and are taking part in net forum drama’s. You’re a good mother ;)

    • Lord help us if she has any kids.

      They probably get to particpate in her homemade porn movies and get to watch them with her when they’re done.

      Nothing like “quality” family time in the KTG house.

      • Here’s what KisstheGyrl said just yesterday:

        “Lately I’ve been feeling kinda numb inside, sometimes unhappy, sometimes very irritated, then sometimes I just feel nothing at all. I try to pray but it’s like my heart isn’t in to it or something. Also, eventhough I do what I have to to take care of my children I hadn’t been able to really give them all of the love that they deserve, this of course kills me. I really don’t know what to do at this point, I’m know there has to be a change somewhere and for me I know it begins with my relationship with God.”

        http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8515&sid=bcf7ed54ac302a3c59e68eb62827d37d

        Take special note of the “I hadn’t been able to really give them all of the love that they deserve…”

        and

        “I’ve been feeling kinda numb inside, sometimes unhappy, sometimes very irritated.”

        Yeah well girl, maybe you should take a step back from forum drama’s, being a dumb sheeple and do what you’ve been asking people to pray for you to do and give your kids more love and attention?

        Seems the answer is right in front of your face Mommy!

      • “Yeah well girl, maybe you should take a step back from forum drama’s, being a dumb sheeple and do what you’ve been asking people to pray for you to do and give your kids more love and attention?”

        He’s right.

        Instead of talking about and focusing most of your life around your latest sex partners and your love of porn, why don’t you pay more attention to your own children?

        There’s more to life than sex and porn, you know

        This is one of the reason why society is so messed up. Most parents these days care more their sex lives and pointless material posessions than they worry about their own children. When these children grow up they become just as careless as their parents and their offspring will suffer the same terrible fate. The cycle just repeats all over again.

        Take my advice.

        I’m sure your children will thank you for this someday when they get older.

      • **stifles laughter**

        now ayaka, that’s not right.

        Please respect this ..*giggles* gentlemens forums guys. The sheeple are delusional, and we have to be honest with ourselves that we were once as naive as they.

        Also , I just want to say , that of all the people coming here. NO ONE can discredit my contribution to the forums – even stating that they “enjoyed me there” yet no one is concerned for the unfounded banning.

        Is that not crazy?

        Lets respect Chaukeedaar and his page.

      • Weird, I couldn’t see all of replies at work, weird. Anyway, not that I owe anyone any explanations but real life and internet banter are very separate for me. Which is why I did NOT detail why I was requesting prayer. Now, having said that, AYAKA, you know you are really in no mental position to offer ANYONE advice. You what was discussed between the two of us and it will remain there. Mostly I do engage in racey antics and banter, For me it speeds my day up. DOES’T make it true, for this reason you little WHORE comment (s) doesn’t bother me in the least, waisted efforts if you ask me but I digress. Aside from my lol’s when you needed someone to vent I was there to listen when I really didn’t have to give a fuck. I think that in it’s self shows my “true” character so can miss me with that shit AYAKA, cause it isn’t flying with me. You wobble bandwagon any and everyone to feel accepted or paid attention to. Yet you have the balls t call me a whore? Comming from the “attention whore ” BIG FAT FAIL doll.

      • KTG honey, please quit while you’re ahead girl. It was only two days ago you expressed your depression and admitted you weren’t giving your kids the love and attention they needed. I’m not trying to make light of this, and I don’t know about the sex discussions you have at the site because I only checked in again recently and don’t follow any particular user but noticed your cry for help. Your participation in the forums isn’t going to lift your depression or guilt. Stop playing around in the net kiddy games, no one banned you for no reason or because your view of Christianity wasn’t the same as theirs. No one called you Toby, Chainmaker or whatever name they reserve for those who don’t tow their party line. You have no business being here. You have a responsibility to your kids and to yourself. Get out of the forums for a while and attend to your real life. Maybe that will lift this cloud of misery

        ““I’ve been feeling kinda numb inside, sometimes unhappy, sometimes very irritated.”

        Have a good day.

  98. @Ayaka, in response to you being accused of being “Russian Nika” when you first arrive on the forums, that’s funny because VC (or the lobotomized kid brother that he gets to answer his emails for him), accused me of being that person as well. In fact, he so eloquently replied to my email with the following two words: “Russian Nika.” I suppose the children learn from their father…

    • It seems that just about every user that puts out too much information automaticaly has the “Toby”, “Chainmaker”, or “Russian Nika” labels slapped on them.

      It’s more of an excuse to ban people if anything.

  99. Another VC supporter: Pollyann

    Her signature has been bothering me for while.

    It’s:

    “I’m a Christian first, and a mean spirited, bigoted conservative second, and don’t you ever forget it.”

    Hey wait a minute, isn’t this going aganst one of VC’s “rules” which is supposed to be:

    “2. Outright hate speech is not permitted at any time. Hateful or disrespectful comments towards a religion, a race or a culture will not be tolerated. Debate is welcome as long as it stays respectful.”

    Isn’t a “bigot” someone who spews nothing but hatred toward other religions, races, and cultures?

    Bigot:

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

    “a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance”

    How come she isn’t banned yet?

    I smell a rat here.

  100. RESPECT his page! please.

    I’ll let you all know when i accept the invite from Hexa. we can talk in this so called “tiny chat” contraption .
    …it will be….fun.

    Femalepharoe@hotmail.com for anyone interested.

  101. VC user: FlixKandish

    Pretty much the Satanic/Atheist version of Chainmaker yet her ex mod label has given her the right to troll the religious forum to her heart’s content I love the kind of crooked moderation VC has constructed.

  102. Btw I love how this retarded frum is only alive to try to smear us all as “Toby”.

    Toby has long gone from those forums if he has ever existed to think that anyone opposing would be labeled such is laughable in the least.

    This is the same type of smear antics that the elite use on the the truthers in the real world.

    Vigilant Citizen forum members (social cheerleaders etc.) are now officially the sheeple within the underground.

    • It is quite shocking, that they all are frankly insulting and “higher than thou” attitudes. Before even looking at who we are, we are all assumed to be “trolls” “screwballs” “toby” “lunes”. They think we are here to cause problems, but the problem was THERE! we just pointed it out and got banned for our troubles it seems.

      Kids in the forum there trying to act higher than the situation when they don’t even know whats happened, in these MULTIPLE INDIVIDUAL CASES. People like Taipy for example another who is quick to be condescending and insulting when she hasn’t got a clue about any of this. Let alone individual cases of bans. That goes for the rest of you on VC DO NOT assume we are all trolls who know eachother, we are here only because we were banned with no chance to speak about it.

      A sham VC “lets clear this up” thread is not going to clear anything up when anybody who had anything to say is banned. People who have gone in under a new name obviously have 0 posts and are assumed to be “trolls” right off the bat. It’s a case of you people in the forum chasing out those who are seeing and exposing injustices in the forum without you even realizing it because you’re so far up the back passages of the moderators and VC that you can’t see right from wrong.

      Nobody deserves to get banned without any form of warning or any chance to explain, nobody should have posts and threads deleted that do not break any rules or regulations of the forum. Yet this is how people like Hartwell operate, “Read the rules, if you have a problem with the moderation, don’t post.” ..You see I had a problem with the moderators because they were banning everybody for no reason! and they do not EVER respond to questions sent the proper way. Raise an issue in a calm and polite way and its “goodbye”. That ban message is basically like saying “If you don’t like the government, tough sh– we’re running the show”.

      If the ban/event logs were ever looked at this would be plain to see, nobody gets warnings and a lot never broke any rules.

      MysticShadow.

  103. JustJess- “I agree 100%. Questioning things is fine but attacking ppl especially behind their backs is pathetic and shouldnt be tolerated.”

    This is what you do when you call us all “Toby” get over yourself for real. These individuals are all on their high-horse.

    For those of you who actually are there for educational purposes I openly invite you to leave that joke of a forum/ sinking ship and join the Icke forums.

  104. I was never called Toby while I was on there but I hardly argued in religion or music sections. I see in the thread there now I’m being called Toby, cant say I didn’t see it coming. They’re saying Chaukee’s and Yoy50’s blogs are Toby’s too. I guess if the guy has a research crew and 50 employee’s he could pull this off, hahaha, but I doubt it. Probably just themselves making up forum drama to turn on visitors.

    Here’s what I know so far,

    Russian Nika is that Kataazyna girl and part of the reason the old board went down was because Grey Sanity was sending nude pics of his shlong to her and it started to freak her out but because she sent pictures of her tits and other regions to him they called a truce, except she never honored it and sent it to her outer circle crew of Andy, Belligerent and Layaamani.

    Problems happened when their little internal forum drama happened at the outer circle forum due to Russian Nika having a problem with Belligerent spending the money she sent to her on weed.

    Grey Sanity and Russian Nika were both mods on the old forums before the big reset happened.

    At the same time I’m told some of the Christians led by Tweeterfist and the now infamous Toby left and made their own forums and something went wrong there and they all went back to VC.

    Before they first left VC, Henrik, Daciple, Tweeterfist, Toby and crew all supposedly had bad things to say about VC but now the first three are kissing his butt. Something weird going on there. It shows how flimsy their character is all except for this Toby guy who’s hated all around for whatever reasons they aren’t saying at this time.

    Either the whole thing is a big fake and experiment like the Jones people here have said or there was a bigger bust up than anyone is letting on and it’s being leaked out little by little. I honestly wouldn’t put it that far out that the whole thing was a big social experiment and the VC owners were and still are a part of it. That sounds more than a little plausible in my mind.

    If not, think about it this Tweeterfist and his gang initially turn on VC and go with this Toby character to start a forum. Then they turn on Toby and go back to VC.

    Talk about flimsy character.

    If that story is true and they all had reason to believe VC was really a bad ass and is now back there kissing his ass and doing all his dirty business, how much does that question their moral character and integrity?

    In this scenario they would have none.

    Either that or there’s more than meets the eye and these Jones guys here who claim to have invented Toby are telling part of the truth. That’s it really though right? The truth is a little bit here and there.

    So these Jones characters come here and start tying the strings together and leave. Daciple, Tweeterfist and Henrik all make an appearance and now they’re gone too. Each of them allude to knowing something about this incident and who VC are, so there’s obviously something to it.

    I don’t know if all the people being called Toby on the forums are really this guy or guys or not, but I’ve seen it happen many times and it’s still going on as everyone can see. I’ve been called Toby too now, and I guess they think it will scare people into silence or something?

    hahahahahaha

    Back to the first story, Belligerent betrayed Russian Nike/ Kataazyna who registered at the VC forums on Nov 1st and claims to have never been there before but has a serious hate on for this Toby character in the damage control thread started by VC and is also one of the VC butt kissers.

    Belligerent showed some people the pictures of Grey Sanity’s little mosquito bite (that’s the rumor) and so on and so on and so on.

    Some members inside the VC website know about this and have some of the pictures too. The member known as Grey Sanity is now called Loki. He usually participates in threads about drama too, hardly says anything important otherwise.

    Loki is threatening to send nude pictures of RussianNika/Kataazyna around if it keeps escalating.

    The few people who know this story have been told to keep a wrapper on it because both Grey Sanity/Loki and Russian Nike/Kataazyna have asked them all the keep it sealed because they’re afraid nude pics of them are going to be circulating the webs and who knows, maybe even make it here.

    Here’s a moral lesson, don’t send nude pics of yourselves out into the air waves you stupid idiots. If there isn’t enough porn out there you think sending nude pics of yourself is exciting? Look at all the trouble it’s getting you into, dummies.

    Now that’s some great drama build up!!

    • I must say, that was quite an interesting read. I like the way you told it as well. I appreciate you sharing some of this background info.

    • Well said Gyro, Thanks for letting us know the actual events that have happened in the past. I find is ridiculous and no wonder we got the impression of a circus from the start.. And a scandal of idiots sending pictures, and funny no lessons learnt it seems since the person in question is perhaps the biggest starter of sex related threads.

  105. Some say VC is http://www.MitchJoelSpeaks.com ? Look at this guys bio at on linkin

    Mitch Joel’s Summary

    When Google wanted to explain online marketing to the top brands in the world, they brought Mitch Joel to the Googleplex in Mountain View, California. Marketing Magazine dubbed him the “Rock Star of Digital Marketing” and called him, “one of North America’s leading digital visionaries.” In 2006 he was named one of the most influential authorities on Blog Marketing in the world. Mitch Joel is President of Twist Image – an award-winning Digital Marketing and Communications agency (although he prefers the title, Media Hacker). In 2008, Mitch was named Canada’s Most Influential Male in Social Media, one of the top 100 online marketers in the world, and was awarded the highly prestigious Canada’s Top 40 Under 40. Most recently, Mitch was named one of iMedia’s 25 Internet Marketing Leaders and Innovators in the world. Marketing Magazine has named Twist Image one of the Top 10 agencies in Canada for two years running. Joel is the Vice-Chair of the Canadian Marketing Association. He is also a former Board Member of the Interactive Advertising Bureau of Canada. Joel speaks frequently to diverse groups like Wal-Mart, Starbucks, Microsoft, Procter and Gamble, Hewlett Packard, and has shared the stage with Bill Clinton, Richard Branson, Malcolm Gladwell, Anthony Robbins and Dr. Phil. Joel is frequently called upon to be a subject matter expert for Huffington Post, BusinessWeek, Fast Company, Marketing Magazine, Profit, Strategy, Money, The Globe & Mail and many other media outlets. His newspaper business column, New Business – Six Pixels of Separation, runs bi-monthly in both The Montreal Gazette and Vancouver Sun. His first book, Six Pixels of Separation (published by Grand Central Publishing – Hachette Book Group), named after his successful Blog and Podcast is a business and marketing bestseller.

    Specialties
    digital marketing, interactive advertising, Web 2.0, Blogs, Blogging, digital strategies, branding, marketing, business books, public speaker, journalism, publishing, search engine strategy, email marketing, online advertising, advertising, PodCamp, BarCamp, DemoCamp and all sorts of Unconferences.

    http://www.twistimage.com/speaking/

  106. Hey “confused” and Gyro,

    Thanks for your objective, non-drama contributions, really enyoied it!

    Mitch Joel and “SIX Pixels of Separation”? How obvious ;-)
    How about another SIX Pixels of Deception and SIX Pixels of Profit?

    He actually looks like a rather nice guy to me on this video on twistimage.com – on the surface (ignoring the all seeing eye in his logo/picture). But the stuff he is talking clearly shows he has no conscience but is a pure and occult business drone. Wonder why such a guy runs Vigilant Citizen?
    “Here is the creaziest part though: A negative review converts more effectively to a sale than a positive review”.

    Cheers, Chaukee

  107. “Aeon is not banned. He is free to log whenever he likes and ask VC his questions.”

    Lol aiight that’s why i’m IPbanned…rofl w/e.

    I’m tired of VC….waste of energy.

    • “I’m tired of VC….waste of energy.”

      I don’t blame you one bit, Aeon.

      I just left that chaotic nightmare, yesterday.

      There was really no point in trying to get those MTV-teenagers to wake up and realize that YES, there is indeed a shadow government that happens to control and carefully orchestrate EVERYTHING. Including the celebrities that these kids happen to love so dearly.

      I swear a good 90% of the users on that site at the current moment don’t even believe that the elite/shadow government even exist, nor do they even care to know about it. No matter how much information I have gathered and posted on that site, they still didn’t get it.

      I served as a link directory on that site for a reason. My main goal was to get these kids to WAKE UP, STOP obsessing over celebrities, and get on out there and LOOK for the information themselves.

      There are a TON of websites scattered all throughout the web that specialize in the subject on the elite/illuminati/shadow government that I’m sure those kids could have learned a good deal from. However, they just ignored it and went back to their usual celebrity worship.

      To sum it up in a simple sentence, those kids didn’t want know anything and they just didn’t CARE to learn.

      I figured I just had to stop sometime soon because there really was no point in trying to convince these celebrity-worshiping teens otherwise. I was just wasting my time with them.

  108. Hey I wonder why after I saw Tweeterfist’s, the VC lap dog’s facebook page with all the satanic messages, porn, drug promotion and racist images, he is no longer posting here?

    I was totally wanting to have follow up discussions with him. Namely about these matters which he may have overlooked because there are nearly 400 comments now

    I’ll repaste them here because I know he’ll be checking this blog often today, especially since he’s unemployed.

    Tweeterfist,

    “Nah, the Lion isn’t a Biblical symbol either, right?

    The rest of fabrication there is well written. You’ve got disinformation locked down for the ignorant of mind

    ”So scanime.com huh?
    Scanime? Like Scan I Me? Scan Me? Scam Me? all out in the open aye folks?”

    XDDDDD

    Oh so funny, but sad that some here will actually consider that brilliant.”

    on 13/12/2011 at 21:43 Not Your Ordinary Citizen

    “Seriously idiot?

    It’s right in front of your eyes but you’ve been so blinded by them whispering in your ears, obviously. You are a total mind controlled puppet and you didn’t even need anything crazy to turn your mind over to them. Just a stupid high school kid who did too many drugs, has holes in his consciousness and believes any wild conspiracy told to him.

    Ooogey Boogey Man, I must be big bad Toby too, ROTFL!!

    “C.S. Lewis on the other hand, who wrote the books of Narnia, another fantasy world, used a Lion God (also a symbol for the “God” of the Illuminati – Satan/Lucifer). This Lion God he called Aslan, compared to the Brotherhood’s “Asalam” (see below). ”

    http://www.illuminati-news.com/tolkien-occult.htm

    The Lion is an occult symbol Tweeterfist. Get your head on straight!

    Do you need more examples?”

  109. Tweeterfist

    “You bro, I’m an alt of a shill of a Monarch programmed Canadian boy. Rotten kids ruined my fun.

    ”See, now he’s joking about it to desensitize us of this and pass our theories off as jokes.”

    Ya bro, the Jesuits trained me and I got buddies in the Malta and Opus Dei that’ll fuck your shit son.

    ”SEE? AGAIN!”

    Head asplode, gg”

    on 14/12/2011 at 00:34 Not Your Ordinary Citizen

    ” No just another victim of meth, coke, pot amongst other cocktails designed to numb your head, put holes in your consciousness and bypass your critical thinking faculties so you believe everything you are told like a good little lap dog while at the same time believing that you are in control of your mind. You’re the perfect slave and no Monarch programming needed.”

    Logan, where’d you go? Still cleaning your facebook page? ;)

  110. Logan says I bend evidence just because I showed people his facebook page and the album where he was having a laugh at racism, and mentally/physically handicapped people, making fun of aids and those sick with the disease, promoting drugs and pornography and showing us what he really believed Christianity to be like. Logan uses the word evidence because it sounds cool to him. It makes him think he’s being all scientist like and all, you know like being real and valid, not just dumb and stupid.

    Here’s Logan’s idea of evidence:

    “the world is only 10,000 years old and carbon dating has holes in it”

    ROTFL

    Tweeterfist/Logan says, “Third, I was chosen as a moderator [at VC] because I was a long time and decent poster. Again, ”YOU WORK AT FED RESERVE? YOU EVIL ZIONIST SCUM. KILL.”

    But

    “2) I base the supposed Toby team as authentic because in their posts they said things that only the higher circle, so to speak, of Truth Files (The site Toby, myself, and a few others created) would know.”

    So you’re saying you believe the Jones clan on here because you had the insider information they claimed that you knew about?

    Interesting admission of guilt you stupid fool.

    I guess they are telling the truth then aren’t they and you are obviously a shill for Vigilant and know about his connections with the other Satanist groups supported by Henrik and the whole story as it unfolded is true and you’re all just here to do further damage control.

    Wow, you are stupid. You just let it all out with that one FOOOOL!

  111. Check out the problem/eaction/solution being carried out by VC’s team: Daciple/VC himself/Henrik, as we speak

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8521&start=130

    Henrik Ryosa, obviously that’s you and obviously by earlier comments here you were once present here as Ibsen, is that right?

    I see you wanted to ask me some questions directly and are aware that I am reading that thread

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8521&start=120

    Why don’t you just come back here and ask me whatever you want? Henrik. Or are we going to be responding to each other on the respective outlets here and there?

    Henrik you have under 30 posts. If someone does a search they find that most of them are in damage control threads as has already been accurately pointed out here. Taking that into consideration and all that has been said here, there is no reason to doubt that you and VC work together, especially that you two have the same tastes in music, are in the same line of business and often support each others views if not directly, but indirectly.

    There’s a good dose of spin going on in there. I’d love to analyze it all in detail, alas sadly I don’t have the time at the moment. Check back regularly and maybe I’ll get around to it.

    Here’s a few obvious points to consider though, you are heavily into satanic music, death metal, and have death metal symbolism scattered throughout your various sites and in your various productions, including the masonic lion. Your spin will only affect those who already have been taken in by your lies, not others who have their eyes wide open.

    I didn’t know of you or your affiliation to VC until someone told me about this site.

    Previous to that all I knew was what I experienced there and that was anyone who presented a different idea of Christianity to the popular one on the boards was targeted, trolled, labelled and eliminated as Toby. That happened to me, and it’s happened here again and to others as I have come to learn.

    The three big culprits were Daciple, Chainmaker, Tweeterfist and there were a few others that echoed the same belief IIRC.

    I was shocked.

    I even emailed VC and got no response about it.

    I left and didn’t think twice about it until recently when I checked the boards again and saw that it was happening to another member.

    It prompted me to do a google search on Vigilant Citizen and I found this site. Whether you believe any of that or not, doesn’t matter to me. What I see happening to others, happened to me. For that reason I have more than just a little inkling of suspicion to believe that all being said about you characters is true.

    You and VC are obviously the more intelligent of the three with Daciple coming a far third. That might be the idea though.

    I did read this of him now though and it was an instant face palm because of the accusations he and his gang made about me a few months back

    “An example is, if one believes that there is no such thing as Satan as in an actual Entity who fell from Heaven and is leading a War against God with the hope to overthrow the Throne and take over the World, instead believing that Satan is simply the symbolic representation of mans lower primal self, then this is going to affect every single solitary view when it comes to Luciferian Ideologies. This will utterly affect how one perceives and presents information. This will cause a bias in the authors writings, it will also possibly cause reactions against people stating that that Ideology is incorrect.”

    What you don’t get Daciple, or probably do since you’re an active participant in this dialectic, is that coming from an opposite point of view will equally cause a bias in the authors writing, and that includes YOUR WRITING. Everyone’s point of view causes them to write from that perspective. That perspective can be considered a bias. The word bias carries a negative connotation. The thing is, everyone has it in one form or another.

    Special Note to you Daciple, that doesn’t mean I necessarily subscribe to the belief that Satan is or is not an actual entity. It’s just pointing out that the same condition applies to you whether you actually get it or not.

    VC’s response is interesting, it’s the antithesis of what you wrote essentially labeling you as a wanna be shepherd. It’s accurate of course. Then Henrik comes and synthesizes it all by merging the two alternative points of view together.

    Bravo!

    How long have you kooks been at this game on the forum anyway?

  112. I am interested to know what people who still post on VC think of the information that VC is Mitch Joel based on the info posted above.

    I am also wondering why the heck femalepharoe was banned. Femalepharoe posted threads on a variety of topics and was an active poster with a fresh perspective. This concerns me greatly. Was she banned based off of multiple issues or just one bad post?

    One last thing confusing me is the new post on VC
    ( http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8521 )

    If he intends for people to respond, how can they when they have probably been banned? Why post a thread like that after banning the “questioners”?

  113. http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8521&start=120

    I would expect nothing less from you Henrik Ibsen or Ryosa to call the investigation of fake Christian “bands” who promote satanic idea’s and music a “distraction”.

    “you will probably want to touch a little on the occult connections of the following list of bands… you know.. because they’re involved with death metal and therefore no doubt have fellowship with satanists and therefore blah blah blah ad nauseum.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ch … etal_bands
    Let’s cut the distraction though and get to the real chase here”

    That was a nice attempt to put the obvious in a different frame, wasn’t it? Essentially you’re writing off the very obvious and pertinent facts that some “Christian” bands have satanic lyrics as not really that significant? LOL!

    Henrik Ryosa Ibsen then says, “You want your own “order from chaos”. Your sense of order. Maybe that is the satisfaction of seeing your “enemy” go down in flames. A member. A website. A perceived threat against your own plans.”

    Interesting idea, but not really. How am I creating order from chaos exactly? What imaginations do you have on my motives other than to shed light on the negative experience I had on your forum, which is echoed by many here too?

    Henrik Ryosa Ibsen “Believing that you know best – even better than God”

    lol, orly?

    How so?

    Making up random accusations, hoping they stick? When have I brought God or his laws, beliefs, commandments into any discussion other than above when pointing out that his behavior is in direct violation to the commandements that Christians are told to upkeep. How that makes me out to be someone who knows better than God in your flimsy mind, is beyond me but that’s how you devious turds work isn’t it? You make up all sorts of lies about anyone who points out the obvious hoping that within them some will stick and the masses will continue to stay oblivious to what is staring them directly in the face. I’m sure you get a big kick out of this sort of deceptive practice. You all seem to.

    Henrik Ibsen Ryosa, “being pulled into the middle of it just gives me deeper insight”

    Your involvement with Vigilant Citizen(s), at whatever level it exists is something you brought about on your own.

    • When I said this above

      “Making up random accusations, hoping they stick? When have I brought God or his laws, beliefs, commandments into any discussion other than above when pointing out that his behavior is in direct violation to the commandements that Christians are told to upkeep.”

      I was talking about Tweeterfist. That’s the only time I pasted the most basic commandements that the Christian God gave to his followers as per the Bible. So explain Henrik. Maybe you can make a blog post on one of your websites and I can carry this discussion on with you directly? Or you can come out of hiding and post here since none of the information here is censored and hard questions won’t be deleted like they are at your Vigilant Citizen forum?

    • Hey NYOC,

      “You make up all sorts of lies about anyone who points out the obvious hoping that within them some will stick and the masses will continue to stay oblivious to what is staring them directly in the face. I’m sure you get a big kick out of this sort of deceptive practice. You all seem to.”

      Very well put, I think you really break it down to how these people function!

  114.  on 14/12/2011 at 18:42 Not Your Ordinary Citizen
    KTG honey, please quit while you’re ahead girl. It was only two days ago you expressed your depression and admitted you weren’t giving your kids the love and attention they needed. I’m not trying to make light of this, and I don’t know about the sex discussions you have at the site because I only checked in again recently and don’t follow any particular user but noticed your cry for help. Your participation in the forums isn’t going to lift your depression or guilt. Stop playing around in the net kiddy games, no one banned you for no reason or because your view of Christianity wasn’t the same as theirs. No one called you Toby, Chainmaker or whatever name they reserve for those who don’t tow their party line. You have no business being here. You have a responsibility to your kids and to yourself. Get out of the forums for a while and attend to your real life. Maybe that will lift this cloud of misery
    ““I’ve been feeling kinda numb inside, sometimes unhappy, sometimes very irritated.”
    Have a good day.

    NYOC,
    Although much of what you say does make since in response to my “cry for help” I must tell you that you’ve misunderstood my request for prayer. I’ll clear this misunderstanding up now, again, I didn’t detail what was going on with me because internet banter and my real life are very separate. I didn’t feel I had to explain my feelings to anyone because when you’re requesting prayer the details are not important it’s the prayer that counts. Now, I DO NOT neglect my children in any way. I feed them, clothe them, bathe them, house them, LOVE them, and frankly they’re quite spoiled. I’m not in any way “depressed” I’m worn out. When I get home from my long hours of work I still pay my children NOTHING BUT attention because they are the most important beings in my life, my reason for existing I believe. Even though I have a boyfriend I am still a single parent so I’m doing this on my own. I hadn’t involved my children in this relationship yet because it isn’t responsible- you don’t just throw a new person in your kid’s life. I’m digressing here, so, it’s rough being both mom and dad (dad is barely “if that” in their lives). I’ve been told by my family that I definitely “over compensate” and “over indulge” because of the absence of their father, they are very happy and well taken care of. The guilt I feel isn’t because I neglect them (that couldn’t be more false), it’s because as a single parent regardless of how much you do you (I rather) feel as though it’s never enough (basically feeling of guilt of their father being an ass and not being in their lives because I don’t want him). As far as me feeling numb inside I don’t feel numb towards my babies, I feel numb once I reach the end of my day….every day. It’s not a depression, again I’m stretched a little thin here. I really wish you would have quoted my whole post, but, in translation: I hadn’t been going to church like I used to and I also hadn’t been connected to God like I used to be because I’m am very tired most of time and I don’t get as much rest as I need. Having three little one’s “alone” this is really hard to do. Anyway, I know that when I’m closer to God things are never as bad as they seem, or at least it doesn’t get to me as much. I will say this again, I’m NOT nor have I ever the type of person to lay down and let hurtles overcome me or cry and whine about it, I’ve always been too pro active and spiritual to allow this. This right now it just a temporary setback, but I know in situations like this you are supposed to call on your fellow man to pray for you (prayer has a great power), so I’m never embarrassed or proud to ask for prayer and this is why I posted this request. I just didn’t detail or elaborate (I don’t think people are all that interested in details anyway). What I got from the replies was wonderful, just what I needed to kick me back in to focus. One reply in particular
    “Done..

    The bumps are what we climb on..

    When I feel like that I get “the praise of the Lord in my mouth”
    Praise can be powerful…especially when we don’t fell like it..

    God bless..”
    It was just the motivation I needed, and words I really needed to read. I am better now.
    Anyway, my time spent on the boards or the internet really isn’t an addiction or something that reigns #1. As a matter of fact I quite often take a leave rather it be a day, two to three days, week, whatever, as a matter of fact I’m really only on Mon-Fri during working hours.
    As far as Ayaka’s comments, like I said it really doesn’t bother me because there’s no truth to it. Anyone who’s been on the board for a while knows I have a since of humor and it is in no way to offend anyone. As far as the sex jokes, mostly for me it’s humor-but if it was offending her she could have pm’d me and expressed her feelings about it, just like she did when she was going through her own ordeals- I wouldn’t have had a problem with that.
    As far as the banning goes most of the people that were banned I never know until someone mentions it, I don’t really know the reasons behind it because I’m not aware of the banning. I was surprised to find that FP and Smash were banned because I’ve never witnessed them doing anything wrong, if anything I think FP contributed a lot of great posts to the board and was often misunderstood and attacked because of it. That even inspired a certain thread I created so FP to you: (me saying I liked you wasn’t me being a two faced cheerleader it was merely saying that I didn’t see that you did anything to deserve a banning and truthfully I DO NOT agree with it). As far as Smash goes I seen a lot of her replies and she had some very insightful thoughts, I’ve never witnessed her breaking any of the rules either so that’s a shock also. When I was modding I mainly did bot busting because that was a problem then, what goes on now I’m not in the loop so yes it is pretty confusing when it’s put on the table. Nevertheless, when I am reading posts I’m not as vocal as I am in the social threads because at those times it really isn’t something I play around with, it’s something I’m “learning” so I’m not focused on replying I’m more focused on soaking up the information and digesting it. So, that’s pretty much it in a nutshell.

    P.S. Even the little digs at me as a mother is a line that shouldn’t be crossed I have thick skin so I take no offense to it. I know what kind of mother I am and what I do for my children and someone challenging that “online” is ludicrous, and I would be less than a woman (a grown up) to allow that to even penetrate me and offend me. Again, I owe NOONE any explanations because at the end of the day NOONE but God can/will make or break me. I just see there’s a misunderstanding and I thought I would clear that up.

    • Honestly KTG I don’t want to trade insults with you. Go tend to your kids. Get offline for a while till you feel better. I’m sure your depression or anxiety is directly related to an intuitive sense that you’re wasting time with all this stuff when you have a higher responsibility calling. None of this here or on the vigilant citizen was about you anyway, it was about the few posters that were banned for no good reason other than they having alternative view points or asking some specific questions that the owners there want silenced. So you made this a fight of yours for nothing. Go be a Mom.

    • Hey KTG,
      Respect for your answer and the way you reflect and take responsibility towards your kids! I’m sure the rest of the confusion I see shining through the stories other people told about you (glorification of porn, blinders towards unethical behaviour of the VC crew) will dissolve when you reflect that the same consequent way. This online reality that deals with the occult really can suck the rest of energy out of us, and as you’re aware, you’re not the only one dependent on your energy.
      All the best for you and your family!
      God bless, Chaukee

  115. o on 14/12/2011 at 02:08 | Reply Ayaka
    Lord help us if she has any kids.
    They probably get to particpate in her homemade porn movies and get to watch them with her when they’re done.
    Nothing like “quality” family time in the KTG house
    ==============================

    And this dear Ayaka is not even funny….sorry babes but it’s just SICK! I would probably lol if you would have said my brother, sister, cousin, or something to poke fun at me but to involve children in any way is just sick. What kind of sick mind would go there?
    Thank you,

    • Actually,

      I’m not even being funny, dearie.

      I have heard about parents that really DO such sick shit with their kids. They’ll keep porn on there computer while the kids are around and you could easily see children as young as TWO were looking at it. Some will even have sex when the children are around. Sometimes they’ll even have porn magazines laying around the house, where the kids can easily pick one up and look at it. Although, I highly doubt people still even read magazines anymore. Concidering that those are a thing of the past.

      How do I know about this? I used to hear about this from people I have worked with who have heard about it from other people. To put it mildly, “word of mouth”.

      Good god, I’ve even heard sexual comments coming from little kids. I happen to know people who work in the day care business who told me some of the things they got to hear from these kids.

      I even got to hear some of it for myself when I walked in there one day just to pay a visit from someone (who I’m going to be meeting again on Monday. It’e been two years since I last saw her.). I heard kids, who appeared to be around 3-4 years old talking about who has the “tightest ass”, “biggest tits”, “largest cock”, “best pussy that’s good for fucking”. These are coming from CHILDREN! Children shouldn’t be talking about things like that.

      One of the kids even said that his “lollipop dick is best for sucking”. I asked that kid where he heard that from and he told me that his father always tells his mother this when she’s on her knees. Yep, that’s what the kid said. It’s very possible that these kids don’t have a clue what they are saying and are just imitating what they hear from their parents, due to the enviroment these kids are growing up around.

      It disgust me.

      Therefore, due to the fact that sex runs in your mind too much, I was assuming that you were just another one of those careless mothers whom I should say are, how shall I put it, “loose”.

  116. o on 14/12/2011 at 20:32 | Reply Not Your Ordinary Citizen
    Honestly KTG I don’t want to trade insults with you. Go tend to your kids. Get offline for a while till you feel better. I’m sure your depression or anxiety is directly related to an intuitive sense that you’re wasting time with all this stuff when you have a higher responsibility calling. None of this here or on the vigilant citizen was about you anyway, it was about the few posters that were banned for no good reason other than they having alternative view points or asking some specific questions that the owners there want silenced. So you made this a fight of yours for nothing. Go be a Mom.

    Sweetie please,
    Thank you for the “advice” but you can keep it- I don’t need someone counseling me through his/her keyboard on what to do as a mother lol. Fact that “you” feel you need to goes to show someone is taking this online shit a little too seriously. Trust me I have NO guilt for my time on here, perhaps maybe that’s just you projecting your own feeling of guilt for not taking care of responsibility onto me? *shrugz* Thanks anyway, I am done now. 

    I will say one thing you’re right about though, all of this VC is or isn’t shit is pointless. Really a waste of time so we surely agree there, and at this point I’m going to exclude myself from this riff because like you said, it doesn’t directly involve me so please, carry on…… btw…thanks for THAT wakeup call.

    • Why are you here for real..

      No one cares about whether you watch porn with your kids on this blog.

      • The fact that you have to give us all your auto-biography shows clear insecurities coming from your end.

    • KTG you do like to talk about yourself a lot and I say that almost everything you’re saying here is pointless because this blog post and it’s comments aren’t about you, the mom or the sheeple.

      The subject is Vigilant Citizen. No really, it is. Go check the title out for yourself if you don’t believe us. I know how that must disappoint you but it’s just the truth.

      Telling us that talking about Vigilant Citizen is pointless shows how self centered you are and I agree with the others, you’re not being a good mom.

      Then admitting that you use the label Toby because it was popular while also admitting you don’t have a clue about it shows classical group think mentality at it’s finest.

      Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within groups of people. It is the mode of thinking that happens when the desire for harmony in a decision-making group overrides a realistic appraisal of alternatives.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

      You basically just admitted you don’t think for yourself and succumb to popular opinion. That equals being stupid and a sheeple, but everyone already knew that about you from the get go so there’s no new news there.

      Now shut up while we enjoy talking about the true topic at hand.

  117. o on 14/12/2011 at 22:03 | Reply chaukeedaar
    Hey KTG,
    Respect for your answer and the way you reflect and take responsibility towards your kids! I’m sure the rest of the confusion I see shining through the stories other people told about you (glorification of porn, blinders towards unethical behaviour of the VC crew) will dissolve when you reflect that the same consequent way. This online reality that deals with the occult really can suck the rest of energy out of us, and as you’re aware, you’re not the only one dependent on your energy.
    All the best for you and your family!
    God bless, Chaukee

    Hey Chaukee,
    Thank you for your reply and for the blessing (appreciate that)! I agree that all of the information I digested since I first started learning about the occult was and is very draining, because there’s so much happening around us that we were unaware of it’s a major shock mentally and spiritually (which can definitely leave you drained physically). Often times I do take a small high aides from it because I don’t want to be consumed by it all. Laughter for me is very healing and at times cleansing so I laugh as much as possible, but, I can understand if someone was offended or “put off” by my choice of humor. Not everyone appreciates the same type of laughter, I’m understanding about that. People who actually know me totally get my since of humor and they find it quite amusing themselves, but, like I said that’s because they know me. If you could ask them they would be the first to tell you that I’m nowhere near close to being promiscuous, I’m really not the type to sleep around never really been my cup of tea there’s nothing fulfilling about it. My “grown up time” has always been within then boundaries of a relationship or at the time marriage, so if/ when I disclose truthful information it wouldn’t be about “random” guys- but I know you’re not throwing any accusations my way, so I’ll just lay this down to rest.

    When it comes to the boards other then engaging in humorous antics if I’m on I’m more than likely lurking and reading a lot of posts, I don’t really pay attention to other things that are going on unless it directly involves me (I guess I’m just not that interested) so I don’t really get involved with it all. On a very serious note the whole Toby issue that went down I wasn’t even around to witness, I got it all second hand after the fact and I still don’t fully understand it. I was a member since the board started but at that time I was taking one of my high aedeses because I needed a break honestly, I actually think that whole situation is quite amusing as well. From what I understood it to be it sounded like a bunch of nonsense, and went so far that the board had to be reset. The whole Toby name calling thing (NOT speaking for ANYONE else of the VC forum) for me is basically like a running joke, a label if you will…I really don’t know this character so when I use the name it’s just a label… so, me being a grown up and acknowledging when I’m wrong I must apologize for referring to you as Toby.

    With that being said, I again thank you for the blessings and appreciate your stating your respect to me as a mother.
    Take care,
    *kiss*

  118. o SilentObserver
    Why are you here for real..
    No one cares about whether you watch porn with your kids on this blog.
    =======================================
    Then it should have never been metioned in the first place.
    With this being said I do not need to defend any securities or lack thereof to anyone, again, in case you were not paying attention I was clearing up a misunderstanding to something that was assumed and directed my way.
    So, let it go and lay it to rest, unless the goal for you or anyone else for that matter is to keep the drama going.

  119. Wow Caukee, great group you have here dude. Well, I must say at least I have some respect for ya, others….not so much. Anyway, enjoy your tyrant antics guys….. really. I’m going to excuse myself from this firing squad you have going on here, and Gyro honey, I really don’t see too many of your guys (other than Chaukee and a couple others) really talking about the disinfo…. I think you’re ALL being what you accused me of…SELF CENTERED…because you’re all talking about yourselves being mistreated, banned, post deleted….. well, not really talking, whining….Everytime somone comes in and disagree with your disinfo theory you don’t reply with proff, you reply with whining about YOURSELVES being banned and what you brought to the board and blah blah blah cry me a river. So when you’re throwing your little lol definitions at me why don’tcha check your reflection……. Pot, I’m kettle nice to meet you. If anything you guys are not on topic here you’ve turned it into the I was deleted and mistreated thread, sounds like self centered behavior to me…. Now, I must exit now and please…..if you care anything about me please continue to blast me, feeds my ego you know? Lol later kids.

  120. you already said that you attention whore STFU stupid sheeple, poor excuse of a stupid mom, depressed retard. Catch my drift you porn addicted ignorant ass munch?

    • Hey Gyro,
      That comment crossed my line, pleace accept my warning. Right, you were not the first to throw “whore” around, but the other comments at least had SOME other information value in it.

      Life is not only about being right, but also about doing right.

  121. 1. on 15/12/2011 at 00:07 | Reply Gyro
    you already said that you attention whore STFU stupid sheeple, poor excuse of a stupid mom, depressed retard. Catch my drift you porn addicted ignorant ass munch?

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    LMFAO Gyro gyro poor little gyro,
    Wanna get real, let’s get real…. You think you’re hitting below the belt and by calling to get under my skin? Kiddo, this is a pass time for me and I damn near spit my water out laughing at how hostile you are right now. Babyluv, this is the internet, and make no mistake NOT ONE of you created this blog yourselves other than the Chaukee. If it were that important to you you would have done this shit yourself, you found a place where you can bitch and moan about being banned or whatever else you wanna cry about and you’re personalizing it….. you’re not original in this situation, you’re piggy backing off of what Chaukee created….sheeple much? PATHETIC! If I got banned from the forum guess what I WOULDN’T GIVE A FUCK, REALLY WOULDN’T CARE, this shit isn’t my life. The forums must be so important to you that you feel mistreated and your little feelings got hurt. I mean you go as far as GOING IN to the forums just to find what people say only to repost it here. Hell, you’ll even go as far and looking up a person’s FB posts and you have the nerve to question what I do on MY time?? Doesn’t that sound kind of well….. retarded??? ROFLMFAO, when I leave from work you people are forgotten. I don’t give two shits about it, I could have pulled Ayaka’s card a long time ago with some personal shit she sent to me but I didn’t, know why? Why the fuck would I invest my time to look for it? Who the hell cares? This shit is used to keep me entertained while I make my $ at work, lol, there’s more to life than crying about how VC wronged you. What I absorb is what I absorb and everything else is for my lolz, the more I type the harder I’m laughing…..fuck lmao, just a wee bit too wrapped up in this aren’t ya? If you really didn’t care, wasn’t interested, too “mature”, or even not ATTENTION WHORING yourself you wouldn’t even take the time to reply to me. LOL, so, please continue to entertain me and reply again, (this time I need to feel the hostility so make it good) have to tell you though… when it’s time to go it’s time to go and I’m done…. I BET you’ll still be here waiting for the next blitz attack. Hopefully YOU don’t have kids to tend to during this time otherwise that would be…well… sad. See there? An hour has flown by and I didn’t even notice, only an hour left so better get it in while you can- I may not be here tomorrow though, I’m starting to get bored.
    **Patiently awaiting your next lame reply**

  122. I said the previous one was my last post but I’d like to say sorry to KTG even though I’ve said nothing to her for what has to be called childish behaviour by Gyro and SilentObserver,

  123. [quote]and most people here are covering for you[/quote]

    ^wtf am I about to be arrested for real (you want me to do group think and suck Vig’s dick…fuck that)… I don’t need anyone to cover for me. I did nothing wrong except speak my mind.

    I love how Vigilant pieces together that I’m chainmaker…. and what a convenient time to do so.

    The man acts like he has something to hide.

    Banning posters left and right.. I would not be surprised in the slightest is he was responsible for those blogs and the “Toby” persona.

    Publicity is Publicity.

    [quote="layaamani"][quote="FailBoat"]You know what would be really FAIR VC?

    Unban FP and Aeon,

    Why did they get banned?

    especially Aeon?

    Edit,

    If you are really not censoring,

    Unban then and let them ask some questions here in the open, what’ve you got to lose?[/quote]

    [color=#4000FF]Aeon is not banned. He is free to log whenever he likes and ask VC his questions. [/color] :thumbsup:[/quote]

    I was IP banned right after getting my account banned for being Chainmaker and returning to the forums. And you’ve got to love riot control on Laya’s part. Vig probably fed her that lie or moderation doesn’t check if posters have been banned or not when they speak or not I don’t know.

      • Most probably Laya doesn’t know. I don’t know all the privileges that mods have but one things for sure, they can’t change any action VC has done.

        Hartwell banned you?
        Oh and I emailed you xD

  124. It’s funny I’m not sure who I have more of a problem with the people at the top or the people at the bottom. The truth of the matter is that there are bad folks at all levels of society as there are also good folks.

  125. Here’s my official VC hate list with my reasons stated:

    Cheers (is a follower of Ann Coulter)

    Katarzyna/Russian Nika (too much of a slut and always has sex on the brain)

    kissthegryl (It’s been stated on the blog already too many times)

    Tweeterfist (too much of a yes-man)

    Chainmaker (racist bigot)

    justjess (just can’t see past her nose)

    HausOfHerpies/bustos 92/RIRIsG4RL (Deniers who doesn’t believe that the elite/shadow government exist. If they don’t believe the concept even exist why are they on the site to begin with?)

    GatecrasherOne (helped contribute to the “Who Is” thread and helped get MysticShadow and mysticseeker banned)

    aaaysitselle (thinks the Rockerfellers are the greatest and also trys to deny the existence of the shadow goverment)

    Adam C. Madison (Rude, disrespectful, bastard)

    Shannon Darko (She’s WAY too immature and flashes her tits too much. She’s physically 17 years old, but has the mentality of a 12 year old. GROW UP ALREADY, SHANNON!)

    Hartwell (another brainwashed celebrity worshiper)

    • Why a hate list girl. Isn’t that investing too much in negative energy? Time could be spent far more productive on doing something positive.

    • Honestly Ayaka that is highly unneccesary. Really a hate list? You’re taking the boards way too seriously. Just because people have different opinions or act different from you doesn’t mean they deserve any hate. Grow up man. This is ridiculous smh.

      • No dearie,

        I’m being dead serious.

        I left the site for good because I was frustrated with being slandered by those annoying celebrity worshipping teens. I’m just pointing out the number of times I have been attacked on the site just for trying point out the truth to you people. BUT NO, these programmed sheeple just LOVE to defend the celebrities and deny everything I tried to tell them. These kids need to quit living in fairyland (or shall I say Hollywoodland) and GROW UP!

        This comment I made a while back should explain my intentions clearer:

        http://chaukeedaar.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/short-warning-vigilant-citizen-is-a-illuminati-disinfo-agent/#comment-935

    • LMAO this is pitiful. Telling people to grow up when you’ve made a ‘hate list’ is incredibly ironic.

    • *sigh* I get your frustration, sometimes I don’t get why those Gaga fangirls/boys are even on the board anyway.. I just think it’s immature to make a “hate list”, that’s all.

      Hope you’ll find a forum better suited for you.

  126. What do you people think is Chainmaker’s role in all of this. What is his hidden agenda. Did he follow the other fundies and his personal friend Daciple to the TF site? Can someone tell me.

    • Rumor is that he is Daciple’s alter ego. Daciple writes walls of text and essays that hardly anyone read but the people he argues with, like Artful Revealer and Koncretemind for example. Both are supposed Gnostic Luciferians for their beliefs, but are much more articulate and well spoken than the illiterate imbecile Daciple.

      Oh want to know something funny? Daciple is constantly preaching to others about coming to Christ while in the same thread has admitted to his own weakness and addiction to PORN! How awesome is that? He’s bringing people to Christ in one minute, and wanking off at his computer screen the next.

      Chainmaker then later comes around and calls anyone who has a different viewpoint to Daciple a Gnostic Satanist and regularly gets banned. He’s also notably anti-semitic in his rants.

      They have a cool story about how they met, both supposedly had trouble with the law. The reality is that they’re probably the same dude with psychological imbalances.

      All the leaders of the vigilant citizen have multiple accounts, the ones involved in controlling the site and that’s how they control the flow of information. If you come in with some truth like Female Pharoe and the Mystic users did, you’ll either get banned and your thread deleted or the trolls and alts come in and flame the hell out of you till the original message is diluted in multiple posts of stupidity.

      If you get banned and your thread deleted, you must have said something that really struck a chord.

      here’s another one of the VC owners websites

      http://www.bigfuckingsecret.com

      Don’t buy the book but there is a mp3 download where you can hear them interviewing each other on a book that their other ego Eli Rook is released on November 11, 2011 at 11:11 on Amazon.com.

      Eli Rook is the username they used for their GIN affiliate account. It’s easy to know that this is the case because when it was showing on the Vigilant Citizen website(s) you could click on the link and get the unique affiliate number which corresponds to the one the user known as “ELI ROOK” uses. If you google the name Eli Rook you will eventually see that all the Join the New World Order promotions he has going eventually lead to an affiliate invite to join the GIN where you are told that top elite Illuminati have formed the company to dispel secret mind powers to you and offer you investment opportunities that will make you rich in the coming shift to the New World Order. Oh yeah, it costs $1000.00 a month to join.

      He asks the listeners to all buy it at that time to shoot it up the Amazon rankings to number one. The interview talks about an “energetic” experience and how he was so super energized that he wrote a book on energy and dimensional shifts and how the realization of the Godhood self allows us to bend our realities and create experiences that are positive for us. Occult stuff essentially.

      • I have a theory that Chainmaker is only acting like an intolerant fundamentalist in order to annoy as many people as possible and drive them away from true Christianity. It is not difficult to understand that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Tweeterfist told Chainmaker as much, still he decides to remain judgmental and filled with hate for everyone whose believe is different from his own. He is intelligent enough to understand that this will only drive people away from the faith he proclaims to adhere to.

        Chainmaker is the embodiment of the spirit of antichrist being hateful, not loving, judgmental, not forgiving, bearing false witness behind people’s backs while pretending to be an upstanding citizen.

        The name Chainmaker and his display picture are also very revealing as to his true nature and intentions.

      • I have also come to the conclusion that some of the most prolific VC forum members have on average between two to four different accounts with some having about six or more.

      • Hey “You’re Only as Strong as Your Weakest Link” and Rekamniahc,

        Great input here, thanks a lot! Those people in the background of VC, GIN and such sites more and more look to me like a bunch of conscienceless marketing drones that are mostly after the money rather than serving a real disinformation agenda (Mitch Joel, Kevin Trudeau a.s.o.). They’re occult and possibly satanists, for sure, and by hiding that they harm the readers and the good cause a lot. I don’t know, my intuition goes back and forth between money versus disinformation. Maybe both? Don’t know what you guys think about their motives.

      • Sorry, I just now see the brilliant epiphany female pharao had, that is one hell of an explonation and supports the “disinformation” argument:

        “From the occult perspective, it has been said that Masonic images and other things appear purposely because through giving us these secrets they stick to their own codes and basically initiate us without our knowledge. If you are a read person of revelations, as I do not claim to be, one of the questions was “if you know the mark of the beast why would you receive it”? Obviously, it is through trickery and only the wise will refuse it.

        THE SITE IS AN INITIATION! Remember the question of: “are we just seeing this more because we realize it, or are they doing it more now for publicity” .
        HA! It is both! And the publicity is getting us accustomed to their rank and file in the order. ”

        Dear female pharao, my I add that text of yours to my blog article above?

  127. Poor Logan Tweeterfist isn’t coming around anymore? How come sweetie? Did the expose of your facebook page and it’s satanic, drug infected and racist views scare you off?

    ——————————————-

    Tweeterfist “Ooh you got me good all over, def put some effort into that one. Sad I won’t make that par with my response, because your whole argument here is a balloon of hot air.”

    Effort into what Logan? What?

    I just googled Tweeterfist and learned a lot about you, like that you consider yourself a CONSPIRACY ANALYST

    That your facebook page has racist pictures,

    promotes drugs,

    Problem is that maybe your reasoning has holes in it because your brain has holes in it from all the drugs you’ve done. Maybe that’s why you’re so easily led by others and take on all that false praise and are such a lap dog?

    porn and other degenerate things like making fun of handicapped individuals?

    That your youtube page promotes satanic music?

    But you’re a good kid right? Just a little misled. You can do all that bad stuff because you’re saved by the blood of Christ which allows you to do all that negative stuff while preaching to others.

    You created a site? LOL, but are a moderator on Vigilant Citizen. Sure, what else have you got to tell us?

    Tweeterfist “3) One, I don’t know him, but that doesn’t mean I won’t call out bogus disinformation slandering and faulty logic when I see”

    You just don’t get it do you, you idiot? You’re slandering people all over the place on a whim, even on here. It’s clear as day for anyone else watching. You’re doing this without a shred of evidence, but you come here protecting Vigilant Citizen when dozens of people have reason to believe he has no good motives. You even say yourself you don’t trust his motives, but are partying at his site because you’re a bid bad and and important moderator? I’m sure you feel a big responsibility there. I mean, it’s not like you actually need to go out and make a real impact in the real world. Just keep talking to the same dozen or so personalities on that site and pretend you’re an important Christian savior, right?

    Tweeterfist “4) Yeah, I like dubstep and heavy European rave and underground rap and all assortment of filthy music that your cliche Christian wouldn’t like. Your point?”

    Do you forget these things that your Bible commands you to do

    – you shall not swear
    – you shall not bear false witness
    – you shall not speak evil
    – you shall bear no grudge
    – you shall not fornicate
    – you shall no take part in drunkeness

    You swear. You bear false witness. You bear grudges. You fornicate. You take part in recreational drugs and drunkeness. Yet you preach to others to save them?

    How funny is that?

    My point?

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 warns us, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    That you are a fake and false Christian.

    But then here is your idea of Christianity:

    You’re warned to not take part in abominable things, but you do. You do drugs. You have sex out of wedlock per your own admission. You listen to Satanic music. Yet you parade around as a righteous Christian boy. You are a hypocrite. Everyone can see it.

    Tweeterfist “Forgot about that gallery”

    Yea, I’m sure you’d like nothing more than for people to forget about it since you’ve run off and deleted all those pictures now that you’ve been unraveled for everyone to see what a lying despicable hypocrite you are.

    But I saved them, just for you :)

    Am I Toby too now? I was banned for being a Toby because I didn’t share your view of the gospels. You and your crew made some pretty snarky and negative remarks about me, and I wasn’t even that character.

    which makes me laugh when you say this “You have shown that you will bend evidence to fit the means of truth you wish.”

    I bend evidence? You don’t even have any when you make your accusations you lying twit!

    You sure love evidence {shakes my head}

  128. Hello My Pets,

    A lot has gone on its safe to say.

    I just wanted to say my final piece pertaining to “disinformation”.

    We can scroll up to see where the moderator of the boards in question publicly invited me to a public chat of my choosing to ask questions and provided his email address. He promised , in that same vein, to email me a detailed account of the “other side of the story”.

    Just wanted to report to the viewing public that though I have emailed him twice, and confirmed this meeting with another board admin in the public chat forum. Tweeterfist , nor anyone else, has emailed me back confirming the order or as promised.

    THAT ladies and gentlemen is disinformation. It is a lie.

    This same moderator, who invited me to a public chat, is now professing has he always communicates and how important communication is. Is that not the babbling of a politician. Hypocritical. No?

    In this same chat, I was told by one of the active board members to “just say you were misled by Toby”. Is this NOT the dealings in deceit that the coward employs to stay as the right hand of the dictator?

    Upon giving one of the sites in question that was filtered. The mod, Hartwell, created a thread to “prove” that it was not filtered. I then detailed how I have seen words posted by the mods that are known for a fact to be kicked out by board members so much so that we have to intentionally misspell them. I was told that a specific “normal” poster could post them in the same breath.

    Now anyone with comprehensive reasoning may ask, HOW and WHY this mod was able to identify the word(s) and even offer up another member who could “post them”. Script?

    Also want to say that this same “magical member” often professes to speak to Vig personally, so much so that she posted screenshots supposedly “confirming” information about this site that she got from VC. Is it …plausible to assume that this member who is supposed to be like“you and I” may have privileges – including filter – that normal people do not?

    On a personal note, It is a little hurtful that posters that have positively commented on 95% (Ambroise included *waves)of my threads have allowed some to attempt to character assassinate me, calling me a racist, bigot, unoriginal and attacking or trying to discredit anyone that may have a positive thing to say about me or my posts….

    But C’est La Vie..Que Sera Sera.

    At the end of the day, we have to be content that that regardless of somes motivations we are honest , free thinking, and righteous sons and daughters of God who are on the search for truth. And whether Toby is real , or not, that should not invalidate the questions that have come about supposedly by him, through him, or any other association.

    Like the assistant that exposes corruption after fired, the boss was still embezzling funds (for example).

    Let the rest play “plantation” vying for the coveted role of the house slave, absolutely elated that they will be eating prime bits of the swine intestine and dining on the left over pound cake they themselves baked.

    If you see me around in the web world say hello. Do stay in touch. My pets

    ::exists stage left::

      • Thank you femalepharoe for letting this be known. I do hope to see you around again, your commentary is much appreciated.

  129. Henrik “Ibsen” says,
    “Why would I pollute my own website willingly with more of your nonsense? And how am I hiding by posting my responses via a place just as appropriate to the subject as chauk’s blog?”

    It wasn’t an either/or request. I was giving you options since you cowardly hang out over there while reading what is said here and responding to it. It was simply a friendly invitation back here since you’ve already been on this blog as the poster called Ibsen above. I was banned there three months ago and people are being silenced for asking these sorts of questions.

    I thought I might invite you and your VC friends to stop the shenanigans and engage in an open and honest discussion on the obvious facts on a blog such as this one where you won’t be censored?

    I was wrong obviously, and of course I have my suspicions why because of what has already been said about your affiliation with the crew there and how a lot of it makes logical sense, especially with how you and Tweeterfist have responded.

    Henrik Ibsen,
    “Why would any normal user, ex user or observer of the Vigilant Citizen website feel any particular need to “call me out”?”

    I already explained that your previous participation here and from what JJ Virgil disclosed above and the response you gave later confirms the accusations, doesn’t it?

    I’ve also explained that I was banned from the Vigilant Citizen website 3 months ago by Tweeterfist, Daciple and Chainmaker gang being labelled a Gnostic Luciferian and Toby.

    I also know what happens to anyone who tries to discuss these topics as is obvious by the bannings of Female Pharoah, the Mystic users and Aeonflux.

    I haven’t been back since my ban. I found this website doing a search on something unrelated. Believe it or not, don’t care.

    Henrik Ibsen Ryosa,
    “You’re the one who needs to explain yourself, quite frankly as you haven’t a leg to stand on, as proved by “Scanime = Scam Me” ”

    That wasn’t me, and I’m sure you know it. Then again it’s just a sign of how you guys operate over at the VC that’s just you again trying to lump all the “dissenters” into one, for whatever sick and internal reason you guys have.

    In no way do I assume that the Toby character, real or not, is innocent of anything. I do object to being unfairly labelled and silenced because I had something different to say. Get my drift? Probably not…

    This blog is neutral territory obviously. You wanting to exchange dialogue by posting there at VC is obvious. At VC where all things can be censored just adds to the fact that you guys play unfair and silence that which doesn’t fit into your program.

    You talk a lot of shit and most people here realize it, I’m sure. Some of the deluded readers there may have missed something though. In your attempt to try coalesce various discussions and posters into one, you hide your own already masked confusion.

    Of course I haven’t already not consider that this is what you’re after to begin with; confusion in general. That’s how you liars work.

    Here you talk as if you are unsure who I am
    “depending on who you are.”

    and

    “there is not much choice but to believe you are either affiliated with such an organization, or support those same ideals,”

    But then later try to lump me in with other people you have problems with

    “This fake comment and your most recent share a most interesting characteristic” @ http://www.taraariano.com/im-caught-in-a-bad-romance-with-the-vigilant-citizen/

    Not that the facts mean anything to you, or truth either but I wasn’t a member of VC back then and I have no idea if you or someone else made those comments, nor do I care either.

    You can assume we’re the same individual all you like and it still wouldn’t bother me one bit :)

    Here’s how I came to the conclusions that I have come to, based on what has been written here and my experiences being labelled a “Toby” on the VC website because I didn’t tow the typical fundamentalist Christian rhetoric. I’d also like to add that being called a Gnostic Satanist is high comedy since one of the big proponents of that game was Tweeterfist, an individual that I have since exposes as fake a Christian merely by looking at his his public facebook page which has :wink-wink: mysteriously become private and said photo album deleted. Thanks for confirming the obvious about you Logan btw :) Oh and yeah it was all clandestine activity that revealed this, you know like putting “Tweeterfist” into google and looking at the link and making the obvious connections.

    Ok, I’ll break it down for you Henrik…in the next response

    • continued…

      JJ Virgil points you out in the first message. You show up as Ibsen which is later pointed out by the Jones clan. You don’t deny this is true but rather confirm it, as did Tweeterfist, by stating that you did work with the individual known as Toby to create another board and lead people to it. Good enough so far?

      Yes Henrik I’m sure you take a lot of time to think about what you write and it’s effects, and maybe you have found that you are able to confuse and direct many a user from your “carefully” planned rhetoric, but you yourself have surely come across and are able to understand that there are people out there that, for lack of a better term, have a good bullshit detector built in.

      Henrik: “I mean let’s review: 1. I don’t possess many of the most usual traits or tendencies of typical posters on VC”

      On on hand this is true, most of your participation is in threads like the one you’re in now to do your typical damage control. On the other hand, you’re a bit paranoid too, or just pretend to be.

      “2. I appear to generally pay great attention to detail in what I say and how I say it (and it’s true, I do)”

      Yes, you talk a lot of shit and probably carefully consider how you are going to present it.

      ” 3. I appeared to be of some influence to members on the old forum, despite relatively few posts and not being an “attention whore”.”

      Cool story bro

      ” 4. My ambition when it came to taking the lead in many areas on TruthFiles, which was supposed to be a Christian resource, but ever since my departure looks to be for all intents and purposes, dead. There could be more, but let’s go with those for now.”

      Like I said above, admitting this confirms the Jones story above that you were all in on whatever sick project was going on at VC the first time around and that it all went sour for whatever reasons we don’t know yet. All I know is that since the JJ Virgil person, whom you guys believe is Toby and his crew divulged all the details above, there’s been some serious damage control going on where other users at your VC forums are being banned for asking simple questions and moderators are telling people like FP above to just say “you were tricked by Toby”.

      When all that is taken into consideration it paints a bigger picture that you are involved.

      When someone looks at your various sites and their message, it’s clear you’re a fake Christian who likes to deceive people.

      So the logical conclusion is that you are involved at the level that has already been described from the beginning of the comments here, and your actions are continuing to confirm it.

      Last but not least, I’m sure you also want everyone to ignore the fact that Death Metal historically has Satanic roots and just pretend that a good little Christian boy like you merely enjoys dabbling in it for artistic purposes and not your own inner personal expression.

      “Themes of violence, drugs, gore, and death are prevalent not only in mainstream death metal culture but are also prime targets of self-satire”

      http://nicholas-morine.suite101.com/what-is-death-metal-history-origins-genres-a143378

      “English heavy metal band Venom, from Newcastle, crystallized the elements of what later became known as thrash metal, death metal and black metal, with their 1981 album Welcome to Hell.[14] Their dark, blistering sound, harsh vocals, and macabre, proudly Satanic imagery proved a major inspiration for extreme metal bands.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_metal

      Let’s just ignore all of this:

      “A history of death metal
      From Cannibal Corpse to Deicide, Morbid Angel to Death”

      http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/a-history-of-death-metal-249395

      “The Roots of Death Metal

      http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/roots.html

      To really see where it all started you must take a look at what death metal evolved from originally. Back in the eighties, of course the most popular form of hard rock and metal were the hair/glam metal bands but underground saw the rising force of thrash and speed metal. Thrash took the power and form of the NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) scene and combined it with the velocity and aggressiveness of the late seventies hardcore punk scene. Venom was really the first to advance the sound of speed metal and in doing so they created the basis for three types of extreme heavy metal music: Thrash, Death, and Black Metal. Their first album, Welcome To Hell 2 , released back in 1981, inspired thousands of bands later to come. Slayer, if not more influential, took the lyrical ideas even farther and created even faster music as evident by their 1983 debut, Show No Mercy . Then in 1985, Possessed released their first album entitled Seven Churches . This album is recognized as the first real showing of death metal.

      Satanic lyrics were brought fourth with a growl instead of just shouted vocals.

      Yet the music was still pretty thrash-based and not looked upon as another sub genre. During this time period, thrash bands were popping up left and right, but not all of them from the same place. Florida’s Nasty Savage were apart of the developing evil thrash theme with their self-titled debut, Nasty Savage . In Brazil, a band named Sepultura had their own version of brutal proto-death metal with their first album from ’86, Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation . The Canadian band Slaughter saw the release of Strappado. . Germany was also apart of the mix with Kreator’s furious second album, Pleasure to Kill . Then in 1987, the aptly named Death released Scream Bloody Gore . This album really took the sound to the next level and set death metal off as its own genre. The music was raw, violent, and relentless. It was perhaps the most influential album towards the growing revolution of DM. The legendary founder/guitarist/vocalist, Chuck Schuldiner (R.I.P.), was truly ahead of his time.”

      – Satanic lyrics were brought fourth with a growl instead of just shouted vocals.

      So yeah, your claim that expressing yourself through a satanic sub set of music is just an artistic way of showing your love for Christ as a true Christian is as stupid as saying it’s no big deal to participate in a Black Mass or ritual sacrifice because it’s just no big deal and you’re just infiltrating satanistic practices to bring people to Christ. Dummy, it’s usually the other way around but you know that already, don’t you? :wink:

      It’s also as funny as your other cohorts condemning others to hell because they don’t accept their view of Christ while the same individuals *cough* Tweeterfist, *cough* Daciple smoke pot, get drunk, have sex outside of wedlock and even in worst cases like Tweeterfist, promote racism and religious intolerance.

      You’re all just good intentioned Christians, but merely a bit misled right? LOLOL

      Good day to you Henrik “Ibsen” Ryosa

    • JJ Virgil points you out in the first message. You show up as Ibsen which is later pointed out by the Jones clan. You don’t deny this is true but rather confirm it, as did Tweeterfist, by stating that you did work with the individual known as Toby to create another board and lead people to it. Good enough so far?

      Yes Henrik I’m sure you take a lot of time to think about what you write and it’s effects, and maybe you have found that you are able to confuse and direct many a user from your “carefully” planned rhetoric, but you yourself have surely come across and are able to understand that there are people out there that, for lack of a better term, have a good bullshit detector built in.

      Henrik: “I mean let’s review: 1. I don’t possess many of the most usual traits or tendencies of typical posters on VC”

      On on hand this is true, most of your participation is in threads like the one you’re in now to do your typical damage control. On the other hand, you’re a bit paranoid too, or just pretend to be.

      “2. I appear to generally pay great attention to detail in what I say and how I say it (and it’s true, I do)”

      Yes, you talk a lot of shit and probably carefully consider how you are going to present it.

      ” 3. I appeared to be of some influence to members on the old forum, despite relatively few posts and not being an “attention whore”.”

      Cool story bro

      ” 4. My ambition when it came to taking the lead in many areas on TruthFiles, which was supposed to be a Christian resource, but ever since my departure looks to be for all intents and purposes, dead. There could be more, but let’s go with those for now.”

      Like I said above, admitting this confirms the Jones story above that you were all in on whatever sick project was going on at VC the first time around and that it all went sour for whatever reasons we don’t know yet. All I know is that since the JJ Virgil person, whom you guys believe is Toby and his crew divulged all the details above, there’s been some serious damage control going on where other users at your VC forums are being banned for asking simple questions and moderators are telling people like FP above to just say “you were tricked by Toby”.

      When all that is taken into consideration it paints a bigger picture that you are involved.

      When someone looks at your various sites and their message, it’s clear you’re a fake Christian who likes to deceive people.

      So the logical conclusion is that you are involved at the level that has already been described from the beginning of the comments here, and your actions are continuing to confirm it.

    • Last but not least Henrik Ibsen, I’m sure you also want everyone to ignore the fact that Death Metal historically has Satanic roots and just pretend that a good little Christian boy like you merely enjoys dabbling in it for artistic purposes and not your own inner personal expression.

      “Themes of violence, drugs, gore, and death are prevalent not only in mainstream death metal culture but are also prime targets of self-satire”

      http://nicholas-morine.suite101.com/what-is-death-metal-history-origins-genres-a143378

      “English heavy metal band Venom, from Newcastle, crystallized the elements of what later became known as thrash metal, death metal and black metal, with their 1981 album Welcome to Hell.[14] Their dark, blistering sound, harsh vocals, and macabre, proudly Satanic imagery proved a major inspiration for extreme metal bands.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_metal

    • Let’s just ignore all of this Henrik Ryosa Ibsenite:

      “A history of death metal
      From Cannibal Corpse to Deicide, Morbid Angel to Death”

      http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/a-history-of-death-metal-249395

      “The Roots of Death Metal

      http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/roots.html

      To really see where it all started you must take a look at what death metal evolved from originally. Back in the eighties, of course the most popular form of hard rock and metal were the hair/glam metal bands but underground saw the rising force of thrash and speed metal. Thrash took the power and form of the NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) scene and combined it with the velocity and aggressiveness of the late seventies hardcore punk scene. Venom was really the first to advance the sound of speed metal and in doing so they created the basis for three types of extreme heavy metal music: Thrash, Death, and Black Metal. Their first album, Welcome To Hell 2 , released back in 1981, inspired thousands of bands later to come. Slayer, if not more influential, took the lyrical ideas even farther and created even faster music as evident by their 1983 debut, Show No Mercy . Then in 1985, Possessed released their first album entitled Seven Churches . This album is recognized as the first real showing of death metal.

      Satanic lyrics were brought fourth with a growl instead of just shouted vocals.

      Yet the music was still pretty thrash-based and not looked upon as another sub genre. During this time period, thrash bands were popping up left and right, but not all of them from the same place. Florida’s Nasty Savage were apart of the developing evil thrash theme with their self-titled debut, Nasty Savage . In Brazil, a band named Sepultura had their own version of brutal proto-death metal with their first album from ’86, Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation . The Canadian band Slaughter saw the release of Strappado. . Germany was also apart of the mix with Kreator’s furious second album, Pleasure to Kill . Then in 1987, the aptly named Death released Scream Bloody Gore . This album really took the sound to the next level and set death metal off as its own genre. The music was raw, violent, and relentless. It was perhaps the most influential album towards the growing revolution of DM. The legendary founder/guitarist/vocalist, Chuck Schuldiner (R.I.P.), was truly ahead of his time.”

      – Satanic lyrics were brought fourth with a growl instead of just shouted vocals.

      So yeah, your claim that expressing yourself through a satanic sub set of music is just an artistic way of showing your love for Christ as a true Christian is as stupid as saying it’s no big deal to participate in a Black Mass or ritual sacrifice because it’s just no big deal and you’re just infiltrating satanistic practices to bring people to Christ. Dummy, it’s usually the other way around but you know that already, don’t you? :wink:

      It’s also as funny as your other cohorts condemning others to hell because they don’t accept their view of Christ while the same individuals *cough* Tweeterfist, *cough* Daciple smoke pot, get drunk, have sex outside of wedlock and even in worst cases like Tweeterfist, promote racism and religious intolerance.

      You’re all just good intentioned Christians, but merely a bit misled right? LOLOL

      Good day Henrik Ryosa of

      http://www.illomennation.com

      http://www.scanime.com,

      http://www.voxhouse.net

      http://www.ryosa.com

    • Let’s just ignore all of this:

      “A history of death metal
      From Cannibal Corpse to Deicide, Morbid Angel to Death”

      http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/a-history-of-death-metal-249395

      “The Roots of Death Metal

      http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/roots.html

      To really see where it all started you must take a look at what death metal evolved from originally. Back in the eighties, of course the most popular form of hard rock and metal were the hair/glam metal bands but underground saw the rising force of thrash and speed metal. Thrash took the power and form of the NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) scene and combined it with the velocity and aggressiveness of the late seventies hardcore punk scene. Venom was really the first to advance the sound of speed metal and in doing so they created the basis for three types of extreme heavy metal music: Thrash, Death, and Black Metal. Their first album, Welcome To Hell 2 , released back in 1981, inspired thousands of bands later to come. Slayer, if not more influential, took the lyrical ideas even farther and created even faster music as evident by their 1983 debut, Show No Mercy . Then in 1985, Possessed released their first album entitled Seven Churches . This album is recognized as the first real showing of death metal.

      Satanic lyrics were brought fourth with a growl instead of just shouted vocals.

      Yet the music was still pretty thrash-based and not looked upon as another sub genre. During this time period, thrash bands were popping up left and right, but not all of them from the same place. Florida’s Nasty Savage were apart of the developing evil thrash theme with their self-titled debut, Nasty Savage . In Brazil, a band named Sepultura had their own version of brutal proto-death metal with their first album from ’86, Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation . The Canadian band Slaughter saw the release of Strappado. . Germany was also apart of the mix with Kreator’s furious second album, Pleasure to Kill . Then in 1987, the aptly named Death released Scream Bloody Gore . This album really took the sound to the next level and set death metal off as its own genre. The music was raw, violent, and relentless. It was perhaps the most influential album towards the growing revolution of DM. The legendary founder/guitarist/vocalist, Chuck Schuldiner (R.I.P.), was truly ahead of his time.”

      – Satanic lyrics were brought fourth with a growl instead of just shouted vocals.

      So yeah, your claim that expressing yourself through a satanic sub set of music is just an artistic way of showing your love for Christ as a true Christian is as stupid as saying it’s no big deal to participate in a Black Mass or ritual sacrifice because it’s just no big deal and you’re just infiltrating satanistic practices to bring people to Christ. Dummy, it’s usually the other way around but you know that already, don’t you? :wink:

      It’s also as funny as your other cohorts condemning others to hell because they don’t accept their view of Christ while the same individuals *cough* Tweeterfist, *cough* Daciple smoke pot, get drunk, have sex outside of wedlock and even in worst cases like Tweeterfist, promote racism and religious intolerance.

      You’re all just good intentioned Christians, but merely a bit misled right? LOLOL

      Good day Henrik Ryosa of

    • So if we all just look past this, everything with Henrik Ryosa is all good

      (remove spaces in the URL’s to view otherwise I cannot post them here)

      “A history of death metal
      From Cannibal Corpse to Deicide, Morbid Angel to Death”
      http:// www. musicradar. com / news / guitars / a-history-of-death-metal-249395

      “The Roots of Death Metal

      http:// www. av1611. org / othpubls / roots . html

      To really see where it all started you must take a look at what death metal evolved from originally. Back in the eighties, of course the most popular form of hard rock and metal were the hair/glam metal bands but underground saw the rising force of thrash and speed metal. Thrash took the power and form of the NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) scene and combined it with the velocity and aggressiveness of the late seventies hardcore punk scene. Venom was really the first to advance the sound of speed metal and in doing so they created the basis for three types of extreme heavy metal music: Thrash, Death, and Black Metal. Their first album, Welcome To Hell 2 , released back in 1981, inspired thousands of bands later to come. Slayer, if not more influential, took the lyrical ideas even farther and created even faster music as evident by their 1983 debut, Show No Mercy . Then in 1985, Possessed released their first album entitled Seven Churches . This album is recognized as the first real showing of death metal.

      Satanic lyrics were brought fourth with a growl instead of just shouted vocals.

      Yet the music was still pretty thrash-based and not looked upon as another sub genre. During this time period, thrash bands were popping up left and right, but not all of them from the same place. Florida’s Nasty Savage were apart of the developing evil thrash theme with their self-titled debut, Nasty Savage . In Brazil, a band named Sepultura had their own version of brutal proto-death metal with their first album from ’86, Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation . The Canadian band Slaughter saw the release of Strappado. . Germany was also apart of the mix with Kreator’s furious second album, Pleasure to Kill . Then in 1987, the aptly named Death released Scream Bloody Gore . This album really took the sound to the next level and set death metal off as its own genre. The music was raw, violent, and relentless. It was perhaps the most influential album towards the growing revolution of DM. The legendary founder/guitarist/vocalist, Chuck Schuldiner (R.I.P.), was truly ahead of his time.”

      – Satanic lyrics were brought fourth with a growl instead of just shouted vocals.

      So yeah, your claim that expressing yourself through a satanic sub set of music is just an artistic way of showing your love for Christ as a true Christian is as stupid as saying it’s no big deal to participate in a Black Mass or ritual sacrifice because it’s just no big deal and you’re just infiltrating satanistic practices to bring people to Christ. Dummy, it’s usually the other way around but you know that already, don’t you? :wink:

      It’s also as funny as your other cohorts condemning others to hell because they don’t accept their view of Christ while the same individuals *cough* Tweeterfist, *cough* Daciple smoke pot, get drunk, have sex outside of wedlock and even in worst cases like Tweeterfist, promote racism and religious intolerance.

      You’re all just good intentioned Christians, but merely a bit misled right? LOLOL

      Good day Henrik Ryosa of

      http://www.illomennation.com

      http://www.scanime.com,

      http://www.voxhouse.net

      http://www.ryosa.com

  130. How ironic, considering that truthseer, Aeon, and I were often called “trolls”:

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5569&hilit=rihanna+fingerbanging&start=20

    KTG: “I can be quite intelligent at times…but here? I mostly troll….sometimes I just hate to waste intellectual discussion/debate if both sides aren’t going to be respected you know? Last debate I was into went….well….rather sour. Oh wellz….tolling is fun to….kudos luv!”

    Again “troll” is just another term that VC users like to use on intelligent people that don’t agree with them.

  131. Last but not least, I’m sure you also want everyone to ignore the fact that Death Metal historically has Satanic roots and just pretend that a good little Christian boy like you merely enjoys dabbling in it for artistic purposes and not your own inner personal expression.

    “Themes of violence, drugs, gore, and death are prevalent not only in mainstream death metal culture but are also prime targets of self-satire”
    http://nicholas-morine.suite101.com/ what-is-death-metal-history-origins-genres-a143378

    “English heavy metal band Venom, from Newcastle, crystallized the elements of what later became known as thrash metal, death metal and black metal, with their 1981 album Welcome to Hell.[14] Their dark, blistering sound, harsh vocals, and macabre, proudly Satanic imagery proved a major inspiration for extreme metal bands.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_metal

  132. Apparently you’re still Toby Chauk and you created this website on October 31, 2011….ooooh Halloween

    The one Truthseer identified as Russian Nika / Katarzyna says so:

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8521&start=150

    “Everything on that site is a lie, it was created on 10-31-2011 and it is a formulation of Toby, the majority of posters there are fakes/imposters created by Toby and we know that it is a 99.9999999999999% chance that it is Toby but cannot state the information on the board for safety/privacy purposes. I have already discussed this with Vigilant. I don’t know why you’re pressing this issue, and most people here are covering for you since we know who you are but this is not the road to go down unless you want to ostracize yourself since most here do not like Toby.

    http://www.webstatschecker.com/stats/domain/chaukeedaar.wordpress.com

    I wonder if the information she says cannot be stated for safety/privacy purposes are the nude pictures circulation of her and Grey Sanity/Loki as told to us by Gyro, who according to Henrik is supposed to also be me.

    These vigilant citizens sure know how to spin a web don’t they?

    • Oh yeah, someone might want to inform Russian Nika/Katarzyna that the date of 2011-10-31 is when the site was indexed, not created, lol.

      Google what that means sweetie, lol. You’re about as good a conspiracy analyst as Logan Seibert, the lavey satanist posing as a Christian.

      • I don’t care ok Toby when that site was made just get a life I hate all of you trolls.

      • Why do you insist I’m Toby? For someone who registered at the VC website on November 1st before the supposed and infamous Toby was around you sure have a hard-on hate-on for him.

        Weird.

        Is it true that you and Grey Sanity exchanged nude pics and are all sacred about them being handed around?

        Now that’s funny

      • Hey there NYOC,

        Thanks for updating me, there are some sick minds over there, may be attracted by VC’s occultism…

        “These vigilant citizens sure know how to spin a web don’t they?”

        Well, THATS not the very hard part I suppose as these masonic tactics are no-brainers as soon as you know them, but whats really shocking to me: How easy simple minded people accept things by criteria of “celebrity factor”. It’s the believers of such nonsense that stress me, so to speak ;-)

        Cheers, Chaukee

      • I love having relationshipz with dead prezidentz
        Want to see my tits?

  133. To the idiots on VC..

    One of the major reasons this blog and situations has escalated so much, is through your sheer disconnectedness with former VC users who were as has been said REPEATEDLY, BANNED WITHOUT REASON. We never got any chance to speak about what happened to us, nor did you EVER TO THIS DAY send any message back to any of us who contacted you through your chosen method.

    YOU are the ones who drop bricks at the mention of this Toby character or indeed any questioning of authority on VC. YOU created this situation by banning anybody who was curious about the site they were using. YOU propelled our discussions here into an argument and YOU created the climate for personal attacks.

    Finally YOU STILL FAIL to even see what happened, and continue to promote and allow the character assassination of former members on VC when you know full-well that we are not there to defend ourselves or question anything since all bans still stand..even though you said that you can see “we should never of been banned”.

    Stop assuming we are all the same people, stop assuming we are following phantoms. WE were individuals who were banned for questioning your ridiculous methods of censorship. We are only together here because we found this blog where we can share what happened to us.

  134. I wonder what will be on today’s episode of this new and exciting soap opera. Grabs popcorn.

    But please people remember behind these screen names are real people. Try to remain civilized and not hurt each other. What goes around comes around.

  135. I have witnessed another perfect example of just how VC chooses to operate –I am now convinced that he feigns ignorance and creates deception. For instance, in the thread “So apparently I’m a disinfo agent,” after allowing pages of insults to be traded between VC users and commenters on this blog, he eventually feels satisfied and locks the thread with the following comment: “Over 2O pages and no answer to my question. Lets just put the negativity behind us and resume being the best site and the web.” If his intentions behind creating that thread was to truly get his accusers to discuss the allegations against him, then why did he not jump in sooner and quell the mob and steer the thread back into the direction of focus? Instead, he sees how it is panning out in his favour, allows this to go on for a while, then closes it with a statement that makes it appear to the users on his forum that those who oppose him simply have no merit or legitimacy to their claims, he then propagates this to his followers by locking the thread rather than keeping it open.First of all, he knows full well that people cannot raise questions on his site as they risk being mocked, ostracized, and eventually banned. Furthermore, those who actually are willing to question have been permanently banned, yet he would like it to appear to his followers that he has won because no one came over there to argue their case against him.

    This to me, is another example of his questionable character and deceptive practices. It’s also difficult for me to believe that this individual is the same person behind the numerous articles on the site, because this individual appears to be lacking in the ability to communicate. It is his behaviour–both his actions and in-actions, as well as those he has sanctioned–which has led me to question his site in the first place. He is only further leading me to believe that his motives are indeed questionable and shady.

    • Lol. I know I said I was leaving , but the obvious deception and brainwashing is so powerful i am both amused and frightened!

      Lol. I peeped how one of the members who asked a simple question about threads getting deleted wad told to “pm” him.

      You get that ? He states “here i am to settle this for the world to see” , even using the term “man up” to entice questions and then once received whispers * meet me in the back to clear this up*

      And NO ONE thought that was…..odd?!!!! To be honest I’m not even tripping anymore, i just can not even comprehend. This is true sheeple mentality.

      It is like watching a super nova. I cant believe my eyes.

      I am not suprised if there was an experiment, the specimen are unlike any ive seen!

      • Lol yes, he now falsely encourages that they ask him questions, but they must be asked and answered in secrecy (though, I’m betting the auto-ban policy for one posing a “too curious” question in public may still be in effect). Apparently, no one finds it odd because they are deluded and completely blinded by their deceptive hero— if some do indeed find it odd, they are fearful of speaking out due to the negative reactions they may face for doing so. This is the type of cunning behaviour and negative climate VC has nurtured on his forum, and while it is plainly obvious to those of us who have ears to hear and eyes to see, his followers remain wholly ignorant of it.

  136. What alternative sites, are you guys using? any new ones? or is it ATS (racist and selective), or the David Icke forums which I haven’t looked at all that much.

    • I’ll email you, we don’t want them to stalk us.
      Ayaka has your email?
      If not please post it

      • I don’t have his e-mail, sorry about that.

        I might ask Aeon if he knows.

    • Pluto,

      I’m not sure how the hell we are going to do this, but is there a private method you could send me your e-mail?

      I’m afraid to do it here for fear of being stalked.

      It’s too dangerous.

    • I browse ATS from time to time. I stay in the conspiracy forums because it is indeed racist and selective especially in the “current events” section.

      But if you ever want to just sit and read some information . I HIGHLY suggest (one of the filtered sites) – whoever “they” are they pull a bunch of stuff (even giving VC credit on pics) it is a databank of interesting info:

      http://www.whale.to/b/symbols_h.html

      It is AWESOME and the pics are amazing. Keep in mind there is no forum but i have been lost in the info for hours.

      Another good one is

      http://educate-yourself.org/

      Now this one , the articles can be…out there, but its giving me much to think of.

      Havn’t checked out the Icke forums.

      • But you are no stranger to racism yourself femalepharoe judging by some of the threads that you made over at VC like: “White People do Not like other White People who can Sing”. Or is it only racism when it concerns darker skinned people?

        http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7019

        Come to think of it you are also somewhat hypocritical in your feminist attitude towards men like: “”Masculinity” Cultivation (men) dangerous to society.”

        http://vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7420

        I mostly enjoyed reading your posts over at VC but you do have a blind spot in recognizing the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye while paying no attention to the plank in your own eye.

      • I was readin the educate yourself one and I have to admit, it is an awesome site. Right now I am reading the George Bush biography and what his Grand dad did

      • I forgot to mention this here on the blog earlier, but I have tried to post images and links from Whale.to before on the VC message boards and I remember that I would get redirected to VC’s main site many of times. I was very lucky if a post containing a link or an image from whale.to ever got through.

        An example would be the time I tried to post an image from the site and I got “It was not possible to determine the dimensions of the image” when I tried to submit it.

        How could it have not been possible? The image was below VC’s image size limit of 500 X 500 and I had [img] and [/img] at the start and the end, with the correct image URL (with .jpg at the end) in the middle

        It’s almost like VC users weren’t allowed to use that site at all as a source to back up their statements.

    • Yeah Pluto I just joined the Icke forums from a intelligence and quality standpoint it’s alot better of a fit.

      I lurk Godlike Productions and ATS once in a while too.

  137. OH MY GOD YOU GUYS. I have just been hit with an epiphany! A God given moment of clarity! And as truthseer so kindly stated, as a true theorist, here is my revelation.

    The VigilantCitizen site is INDEED disinformation and truly sinister two fold!!

    1. The Jones group (toby) was allowed to exist in conjunction with the site. They are collecting “data” , but what for? We’ll get to that later. As the jones group noted they are selective of a certain category , and targeting young impressionable children to mold society to them and then, to be frank, sheeple. Notice that in these “supposed” uprisings the catalyst has been provided by VC’s own!! They use to only “refer” to Toby , but I would have never known about any of the sites supposedly belonging Toby had Hexa, the researcher, not posted the quotes and the link for us to go!

    Why would he do this? It was a test. Periodically, if they don’t pick off people one by one and they just “disappear” without our knowledge they go through a weeding out and make it look like the ONE character known as Toby! Remember, how they kept saying that Toby created his own site and then just disappeared after he did this??? So why, I ask you, would a sociopath who is obsessed with Vigilant as much as they say – win the battle of “stealing” members only to abandon them?? Because they wanted to see not only who would leave , but also, who would grovel back!

    I will have you recollect Orwell’s 1984 (if you have not read it please do so , as it is highly important to topics discussed in this vein) in which an all seeing controlling entity has brainwashed the people so well that they come to love him! Sound familiar? In the end we find out that there is no ONE big brother, like Toby and Like Vigilant. Because as someone who knows a little about media – there is no way that you have a site that slick, with those viewers, merchandise and domain with out have someone(s) on the pay role. Highly improbable. It is not different from the disappearing act of the fictitious characters and the ones on the boards. We should be flattered, we are the ones targeted as unstable variables for the outcome they want!! (notice that truthseer has been trolling forever but it was not until recently he was perm banned for trolling- count that with all of the NO WARNING removals : poof!)

    2. (and this is me on my conspiracy tip) While I have been reading a few different things not having anything to do with VC , if you are open you can start to see the thread of things. One school of thought,from the illuminati world perspective, is that they bombard us with things as to get us “use” to their plans to follow. From the occult perspective, it has been said that Masonic images and other things appear purposely because through giving us these secrets they stick to their own codes and basically initiate us without our knowledge. If you are a read person of revelations, as I do not claim to be, one of the questions was “if you know the mark of the beast why would you receive it”? Obviously, it is through trickery and only the wise will refuse it.

    THE SITE IS AN INITIATION! Remember the question of: “are we just seeing this more because we realize it, or are they doing it more now for publicity” .
    HA! It is both! And the publicity is getting us accustomed to their rank and file in the order.

    Let us rejoice that we have been removed.

    Jones group. Is this accurate?

    • nother thing, notice how I was banned after I decided to not Troll and specifically not troll you

      • YES. you trolled me for..a long time..i actually thought it was funny because you are obviously highly intelligent. But as soon as you decided not to troll me or anyone else, you decided to become a problem to them that had to be eliminated ….makes you wonder.

      • Why were you banned? What was the reason?

      • So that’s it. You stopped trolling and you were banned? No Toby, no Chainmaker accusations. No Gnostic stuff? Just stop trolling good members and you’re useless now?

    • Strange,

      I remember asking someone once as to why these symbols and all this information about the elite is out in the open these days now more so than ever.

      They told me that the elite want us to know this stuff intentionally in order to condition us for a darker agenda.

      The elite are really blatant about themselves these days. One of the biggest examples is the fact that there are a TON of websites devoted to the subject and yet none of them have been shut down. You would think that if the elite didn’t want us to know about this, those sites would have been quickly pulled from the internet, considering that the elite happen to own and control all of the internet.

      Your post has just proven the answer I recieved even further.

      • What makes it even stranger, is that this was my own mother who told me this. She’s just as aware of the elite as I am and this was yesterday I asked her about it.

        Yep, she knows about my time on Vigilant Citizen because she saw me typing on my laptop one day and wanted an answer as to who I was typing to. I had to go into a long explanation about the site and everything that has happened so far.

      • Hello,

        I am leaning towards all this being a test specifically VC a recruiting ground for test subjects, the information they can garner from people on such sights is huge. The whole jones thing while initially odd and seemingly remote, is actually very plausible and believable.

        That is true Ayaka, the reason to have it all out there goes way back to hiding things in plain sight, if the ones in control can put out propaganda on a genuine symbol/event or meaning then the masses will lean towards that and ridicules deviation from that controller created interpretation. As a society we are raised to look up to our peers, when you cannot trust your peers you begin to see things differently.

        Truthseer/Ayaka/femalepharoe and anybody else, you can contact me at :

        shadowrealm@live.co.uk

        MysticShadow.

      • It is, I believe one of the rules of the Illuminati to reveal what they’re doing to the public but in such a way that it is still hidden. no idea where I read that though

      • Interesting theory Ayaka and a ring of truth to it too.

      • Is Dat you smashbro’s?

        Want to see my tits too? I will put up a picture of them here tomorrow.

      • AH YES!

        I remember that day! Notice how all of the reasonable (regardless of their personal beliefs) and non trolling (at the time) members are all saying the same thing!!!

        And Hexa who was not a mod at the time , came in with that EXACT same script.

        Also notice how Cheers, the shill, at first backed up that it was a server down-delighted with the answer- and then once people started reporting it she joined in.Only to then , assure the people once a stock answer was provided!!

        When a “server is down” as they claim ; to my understanding it is not selective as to who can get in. It is DOWN!

        Those people are on the watch list.

        And I also believe that it was correct that their are shill accounts that embodies stereotypes or …internet personas…if you will – in order to be a catalyst, herder… etc.

        Though I do not wish to be mean, the shill Cheers employs is one of educational intimidation. (some may argue that I was similar – but I am not a paid shill and used the …force for good and not evil . Lol) Its safe to say that a lot of people are insecure and uncomfortable. In her own, passive aggressive way to the untrained or insecure seeker she can shut you downn-I’ve seen it many many times.SO much so , that getting any praise from her is nothing short of a miracle.

        Having her chime in and read from the script, knocked in people’s conditioning that “cheers is smarter than I – Cheers is right”. And when that wasn’t working she had to go along only to reaffirm that there was “no problem after all”

        You nailed it.

        People please stay away from this site.

      • Of course, let’s not forget the fact that Cheers was always intentionally starting fights with anme1984/Astral Gemini_1984

        and for the ultimate irony, I actually remember Katarzyna/CIA/Russian Nika once admiting that Cheers was a paid disinfo agent to everyone that was in Tinychat (Vigilant Citizen chat room) that day, including myself.

        Makes you wonder even more about Cheers.

      • This is getting stupid and your all getting out of control paranoid now. Read that thread again and even truthseer said he had no problem so was he part of the inner circle then too? Oh I guess he was and the negativity he’s spouting off now must just be controlled opposition. Arggg so dumb!!! Will everyone stop pissing on Cheers!!! What has she done to any of you? Truthseer got banned for harrassing her and telling people all kinds of stuff about her so then its true that he’s part of the D12

      • Maybe I didn’t have problems because I’m not from the West but from the East

  138. I find it some what egotistical to assume that people who have been banned or who question VC would notice the “So apparently Im a disinfo agent” post and be able to respond in the quick time it was open for posting.

    Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:41 pm it was created
    Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:30 pm it was closed

    I understand why it was closed, but it would have been nice for it to be open for a few weeks to see if people who had questions could post a response.

    • The best thing to do guys is just move in and let that forum go back to being dead their feeding off this drama anyways.

      If you feel the need to retaliate lmao just quote what they said and email it to me.

      aeonfluxvc@yahoo.com

      Meanwhile I’ll be on the Icke forums not giving a shit.

  139. Exactly as aeon said. And for most of you who are disgruntled about the bans, just remember, every time you go on vc, you make him money

      • But you have to click on them for him to make money, don’t you? I don’t doubt there are a lot of idiots who do, and especially so after the GIN experiments on his site.

  140. Reka,

    I would suggest, if you care to, Reading “why are all the black kids sitting together in the cafeteria”. One of theories by some studied individuals is that race or racism is directly related or contrived from the stance of social power.

    Thus people who have no social power , may be prejudice, but not racist as they are only reactionary to their environment.

    For example, can a woman be sexist?

    My threads where a means for dialogue.
    Log in my eye?
    We are all trying to see clearer, but in these instances mines may just be different grain of wood.

    Thanks for the discussion.

      • Is it unrighteous to allow someone to steal bread, if you have plenty at your disposal?

  141. There’s something about the way ktg types that screams “attention whore” and “retard.” Can’t quite put my finger on it.

    • Yup. Now let’s start flashing our tits all over the place to really take the message home.

      From one dead prez to the next

      I did have relationz with that woman!

      • Looks like the comment of female pharao really hit something as they send their obfuscation-agents over here, or did I miss the irony of your post, Lewinsky?